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$123 is Captain pay correct? I believe most of the XJ CRJ Captains who go to NWA wont see much of a raise or payback until they make Captain at Mainline.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Management money is already in the trough...as you well know, Mr. Rainey. The "conflict" of which you speak (and why do I keep hearing "Helter Skelter" in the background?) is avoided to the extent we have a contract with a significant duration.



We'll get a bunch of it back...thanks to you. As you have consistently proven, you are incapable of staffing this airline properly enough to deliver the cashflow you put in the Disclosure Statement. The Board and the investors will want to know how it got that way...and who is responsible. That's where you come in...or, more accurately...you go out.

Sic semper tyrannus!

Your replacement will have to cut a deal with us for some staffing relief to get those augmentees and F/O IP's trained. We'll get our quids and you'll be working somewhere else...with 2,000 worthless NWA business cards with "Vice President" on them.



1. Get rid of you.
2. Improve the "hot spots" in the contract.
3. Single Carrier Status (that'll be the end of your sucessor's honeymoon here)

Better get in line at the good printer, Mr. Rainey! That resume ain't gonna print itself!

No wrong again, ALPA would never expose an actual airline management shortcoming. Instead they will focus on management pay, maybe rent another blow up animal, hold a informational picket nobody understands. All to continue the "campaign of the meaningless".

 

[Occam's Razor]

$123 is Captain pay correct? I believe most of the XJ CRJ Captains who go to NWA wont see much of a raise or payback until they make Captain at Mainline.

Yeah...prolly not worth it. Think any will interview, anyway? You know...just for yuks?

 

[Occam's Razor]

No wrong again, ALPA would never expose an actual airline management shortcoming.

You mean like HIT in '96, along with the Freighter LOA? Or the 4 CAL LOA's in March '98? How about the "over my dead body!" stock issuance after the strike? The 10.25% pay raise in '03?

Over those years the other management geniuses that held your job got fired too...for the same reasons you'll get axed: Failure to make it work.

Treating pilots like chattel may be easy when you're focused on the bottom line and nothing else. But it breeds a relationship that precludes cooperation, and cooperation could make your job easier and make you more successful...as you'll realize 30-seconds after the security guard shows up to escort you to the curb.

Instead they will focus on management pay, maybe rent another blow up animal, hold a informational picket nobody understands. All to continue the "campaign of the meaningless".

1. We own the rat...and I think it's better to inflate one than to be one.
2. We don't expect you to understand picketing. If you did, you'd be a leader instead of just a manager.
3. Make sure you use the "campaign of the meaningless" bit when you come groveling for staffing relief! [Tip: Use smaller words. They'll be easier to eat later!]

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Occam,

You go girl

 

[737 Pylt]

Maybe I am wrong but that definition of Single Carrier petition to the NMB was given to the Comair MEC by Bill Roberts prior to the PID request in 2000.

Single? So when your mom gets done with the pro basketball team, does that mean she's still single?

Are you saying we shouldn't take an ALPA attorney at their word?

Get back to gumming Dan and Jessee, and tell us all how it felt! Do you take their word when they tell you the check's in the mail!??:laugh: :laugh:

737

 

[redflyer65]

177/hr for a Northwest 747-400 Captain. I have a hard time grasping how low that number is for that size of plane. That's the top tier at Northwest. It doesn't go any higher. Then look at Southwest payscales and you see they top out ABOVE that. Something is wrong with this situation. I tend to think it's how bad the management is at Northwest.

Slash labor rates and take a huge bonus. Somethings wrong. Criminally wrong.

 

[Lear70]

Slash labor rates and take a huge bonus. Somethings wrong. Criminally wrong.

Agreed.

And the criminally wrong behavior starts in the Oval Office and works its way down through the House, the Senate, into the pockets of big business, and so on and so forth by EMPOWERING that behavior by failing to take steps to curb it, even though they have been told repeatedly since deregulation of the road to hell this industry is on.

THEN they get SHOWN the PROOF of the outcome of no legislation to protect the industry and its employees. And still nothing happens.

The problem is so deeply embedded I've all but given up on any legislation ever balancing the playing field, and that's what HAS to happen to stop airline management from repeating this devastating cycle of corporate greed.

 

[XJ-spartacus]

NWA pilots don't make much because they can't seem to stop falling backwards in order to save their pensions. When reality sets in, you might see their pilot group unify and demand higher wages. Until then, the top guys will continue to sacrifice the junior guys in order to save what has already been lost. The situation they are currently in isn't the fault of the President or our Congress. The fate of the NWA pilots will be either squandered or saved by what they are capable of achieving by themselves. The only people to blame for the NWA pilots wages is the NWA pilots. It's that simple.

-Spartacus

 

[Occam's Razor]

Were the USAirways pay cuts Northwest pilot's fault?

And United?

Delta?

______ (any other airline here)?

How about the increases at FDX...were those the fault of Northwest pilots?

I'm prepared to blame Global Warming, inflation, and Iraq on Northwest pilots...but to claim that the erosion of the NWA pilot's contract was the exclusive fault of NWA pilots is lame.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Hey "Spartacus" Rob,

How's that GRR commute working out?

When you jump on NWA, you always tell the captain how screwed-up you think NWA pilots are...right?

Check back in a month or so and let me know if it's going any better for you...

 

[xjgearbtch]

Take a deep breath and chill. You should live those words written by Mark Twain that you have there, instead of threatening to yank someone's jumpseat.

He never stated that NWA tanked the other airlines, you did.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Take a deep breath and chill. You should live those words written by Mark Twain that you have there, instead of threatening to yank someone's jumpseat.

Tell you what. I'll live by the words on my avatar because I put 'em up there. Rob's gonna have to live by the words he put up here too. Perhaps he'll write these comments (from post #57 on this thread) on the back of his XCM form next time he commutes to/from GRR or DTW:

"You know that given your own devices you'll sell your souls to keep your jobs,....Please don't try to make your MEC's effort out to be anything more than it is.....a failed attempt to handle a situation that they lost control of years ago....Once your top guys start looking out for your junior guys, I'll believe you might have a sincere interest in looking out for your regionals."

He never stated that NWA tanked the other airlines, you did.

I'm not afraid to tell my own pilots where I think we succeeded, and where we've failed. But I'm not an outsider (like this SWA guy) with no skin in the game...that writes this:

"...the top guys will continue to sacrifice the junior guys in order to save what has already been lost. .... The only people to blame for the NWA pilots wages is the NWA pilots. It's that simple."

Think I'll hear this from him when I fly into GRR on Wednesday?

"Hey, Captain Sell-Out...can I ride your jumpseat?"

I know he doesn't speak for all SWA pilots. He speaks for himself. The few folks on this Forum who know who I am also know that what I post here is what I've posted elsewhere under my own name...and spoken in person (although I tend to use more expletives in person). WYSIWYG.

I wonder if that's true for him?

No jihad. No jumpseat war. Just a pointed question: Why would want to ride the jumpseat of a pilot group you think is a bunch of sell-outs?

 

[Lear70]

No jihad. No jumpseat war. Just a pointed question: Why would you want to ride the jumpseat of a pilot group you think is a bunch of sell-outs?

OH! OH! I know this one...

'Cause it's the quickest way home?

Funny how people are never as ballsy in person as they are on this forum? Pretty easy to sling mud from behind the cover of anonymity.

 

[XJ-spartacus]

Hey Razor,

Take a pill dude. This is a forum to voice your opinions, not have a stroke. Try drinking more and typing less, you'll live longer.

-Spartacus

 

[redflyer65]

The Northwest PILOTS had a choice as to whether they would pass that crap TA or hold out for something better. They folded. Just left me shaking my head. There was no reason to start Compass at all. It should have been kept in house at the same payscale. Unfortunately they took the first company offer. Are any of the pilots suprised that management is taking a HUGE bonus over this? The writing has been on the wall since you inked that deal.

 

[TinGoose1]

Since Occam's Razor has been so vocal about identifying another member of this board, let's all hear his real name. I don't recall hearing a valid arguement contradicting any of the statements about the TA the NWA pilots signed, only rationalization. Please identify yourself and explain exactly why your last concessionary deal created Compass and further aggrevated the whip saw within your airlinks.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Derisive . . . RECENTLY derisive.

 

[XJ-spartacus]

Razor,

Now that I'm sober, I've re-read your post. Wow! If your going to threaten me, at least do it with something I need. I haven't commuted on NWA to DTW since 9-11. Driving was more reliable. Taking away my jumpseat is like taking away Christopher Reeves dancing shoes. Now if you really want to fire me up, take away my remote control. That would get me out of my lazy boy for sure. Anyway, just thought I would help with future threats.

Take care...

-Spartacus

P.S. On a serious note...after investing almost a decade of my life at XJ, at a minimum that gives me the right to have an opinion. Even though I'm gone, I still care about what happens to those still flying there. Believe it or not, you don't stop caring about your family members once you move out of the house. Now those are the last sober words your going to hear. And on that note, I'm going back to my bottle of Jack Daniels. Peace out.......

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The real comical thing is the NWA MEC decides to put off dealing with the wholly owned mesaba issue. Rather than force a confrontation now, they choose to put it off until a more strategic time. However, I would like to point out that when they finally do file the petition, NWA will have the choice of either liquidating mesaba or giving the mesaba pilots mainline seniority. Both scenarios are extremely unlikely, instead NWA will comply with the contract and compass will disappear. The pilots currently leaving other jobs to go to compass will soon find themselves out of a job. Right now, that could be tens of pilots. However, by the time ALPA gets around to it, it could be hundreds.