First nail in ASA's coffin....

[jegermeister]

Well IF people want to work at this "H3ll Hole" after the BS they have pulled for the last 5 years...that is THEIR PROBLEM! NOT MINE! If they had Half a brain in their heads they would NOT! If they have to stay...so be it! We are trying to make it a better place for everyone...in the event that they have to stay here for their career. What...you want no duty rigs, low pay and crappy QOL? YGBSM! Hope you like your 20yr pin from ASSA when the times comes! Lord knows that is ALL you will get in the end! And by the way, you keep saying that I am in the minority when in fact EVERYONE I talk to is feeling the same way. Hmmmm, I wonder who is in their own FANTASY LAND!

Jerry may not OWN the flying but you can bet your AZZ that he has protections built in to maintain the MAJORITY OF IT or they get back their 125million. With all those 900's they are flying, you can bet Delta wants their first class cabin going on those LONG FLIGHTS! INTERNATIONAL!!

And hey...thanks for the english lesson, me culdn't have thunk por miself! You are like a little girl with this grammar correcting BS! Get back to flying the line and leave FI.imp:

Ahh. There is much hate in this one. Yess.

 

[jegermeister]

You missed the point. As usual. Jerry doesn't OWN any int'l flying. If Jerry lacks the crews, Delta will just transfer that flying to someone else who does. Like Mesa or GoJets or RAH or whomever.

I'm glad you could [sic] care less if ASA is shut down (btw, the phrase is "couldn't care less"... if you COULD care less, then maybe you should). That's disingenuous to your fellow crewmembers who may not want to move on, or may not be able to due to their life situation. If you want to leave, then don't let the door hit your ass. I'm tired of your "burn it down" rhetoric given that you don't even plan to stay here. Please don't try to tank a company you don't intend to stay at anyhow, if you have any shred of respect for your fellow employees who might wanto or have to stay.

Now the main point of your post: Why shouldn't we believe Jerry when he says these things? One thing Jerry has proven is that he doesn't play leverage games like the management we're used to at ASA. I think that Jerry has proven over his career that when he says he's going to do something, it usually happens. It's all about business to Jerry. He told the union he will transfer flying if ASA is more expensive. Yes, I believe him.

JP,

You've changed. Your last few posts have been right on. They've been to the point and have gone after the issue not the writer. Thanks. It's nice to read a thoughtful post vs. much of the high school banter that's often offered as an idea.

Jeger

 

[VeeOne]

Kindly refute my previous post with facts instead of rhetoric. How many of Jerry's crew longe visits have you attended?

But John-

This is the way EVERY contract has been negotiated. It's always been like this. So............

It's the OLD mindset that is going to kill our pilot group while our flying lives on in the form of SkyWest- without us. If we keep ASSuming that Jerry is full of bull, we're gonna get excised.

TomCT is wedged up big D's sphincter so deep he needs a periscope. Newsflash Tom- this ain't such a bad place to work. Take a long hard look at what's around us at other regionals before you run your mouth at how bad ASA is. Yes, it could be better, but it isn't the HELL you speak of. Besides, it isn't a hostage crisis- if it's that bad, go fly at another regional, fly freight, or whatever. Even better than that- go rub your nose in some good ole' General Aviation horse s%$t to readjust your view of things at ASA. Maybe you didn't get good enough a dose of it before you came here..........

 

[DrunkIrishman]

I agree. If ASA was THAT bad, then people would just plain quit without having another flying job lined up. There are flying gigs out there that are SO much worse than ASA that it is almost irresponsible to draw a comparison.

For those of us that want to move on; it is unfair for us to have the "burn it down" attitude. If you're leaving, then leave. There is no need to make it worse just because you are moving on to bigger and better things. We are all on the same team while we're at ASA.

 

[Tomct]

But John-

This is the way EVERY contract has been negotiated. It's always been like this. So............

It's the OLD mindset that is going to kill our pilot group while our flying lives on in the form of SkyWest- without us. If we keep ASSuming that Jerry is full of bull, we're gonna get excised.

TomCT is wedged up big D's sphincter so deep he needs a periscope. Newsflash Tom- this ain't such a bad place to work. Take a long hard look at what's around us at other regionals before you run your mouth at how bad ASA is. Yes, it could be better, but it isn't the HELL you speak of. Besides, it isn't a hostage crisis- if it's that bad, go fly at another regional, fly freight, or whatever. Even better than that- go rub your nose in some good ole' General Aviation horse s%$t to readjust your view of things at ASA. Maybe you didn't get good enough a dose of it before you came here..........

Vee, are you kidding me? yeah..like I am going to make a latteral move to another regional, good lord man....wake UP! Yeah, there are worse places to work, but not many err....maybe ONE! Hmmm lets look around. Comair, better QOL, ConEx...making more money and better QOL than ANY Carrier....Skywst, much better QOL and making more money...Republic, better QOL by FAR and making more cash, Air Wis making more money AND better QOL, Eagle making more money, Pinnacle making a bit more and oh by the way....Mesaba, making more money according to their payrate on APC. But hey, we should just be happy and eat the SH!T sandwich that they have been feeding us for the last what....4 going on 5 years, yeah RIGHT! I will agree with you....someone has their head up someone's AZZ, but it is YOUR OWN HEAD up YOUR AZZ. What a RETARD!

 

[MONKEY]

Tomct = class act








NOT

 

[VeeOne]

Vee, are you kidding me? yeah..like I am going to make a latteral move to another regional, good lord man....wake UP! Yeah, there are worse places to work, but not many err....maybe ONE! Hmmm lets look around. Comair, better QOL, ConEx...making more money and better QOL than ANY Carrier....Skywst, much better QOL and making more money...Republic, better QOL by FAR and making more cash, Air Wis making more money AND better QOL, Eagle making more money, Pinnacle making a bit more and oh by the way....Mesaba, making more money according to their payrate on APC. But hey, we should just be happy and eat the SH!T sandwich that they have been feeding us for the last what....4 going on 5 years, yeah RIGHT! I will agree with you....someone has their head up someone's AZZ, but it is YOUR OWN HEAD up YOUR AZZ. What a RETARD!

Obviously you're only looking at what benafits you- take a look at the F/O payscales you dips^%t! As usual, you get on here and plaster your useless comments all over FI. I'm impressed that you did add some content in addition to the usual insult- it's a step in the right direction. It's completely obvious that you don't give a d*mn about this place, so why not save your F/O's the tyrany and move on now? You obviously have something to prove with your "burn it down attitute", rather than attempting to fix the problem via useful communication with the MEC chair. Sooner you move on the better- AZZ!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Vee, are you kidding me? yeah..like I am going to make a latteral move to another regional, good lord man....wake UP! Yeah, there are worse places to work, but not many err....maybe ONE! Hmmm lets look around. Comair, better QOL, ConEx...making more money and better QOL than ANY Carrier....Skywst, much better QOL and making more money...Republic, better QOL by FAR and making more cash, Air Wis making more money AND better QOL, Eagle making more money, Pinnacle making a bit more and oh by the way....Mesaba, making more money according to their payrate on APC. But hey, we should just be happy and eat the SH!T sandwich that they have been feeding us for the last what....4 going on 5 years, yeah RIGHT! I will agree with you....someone has their head up someone's AZZ, but it is YOUR OWN HEAD up YOUR AZZ. What a RETARD!

Tomct, I challenge you to make one serious and intelectually stimulating reply to a topic without using profanity and without raving like a crazy man. I don't think you can do it.

 

[Tomct]

Obviously you're only looking at what benafits you- take a look at the F/O payscales you dips^%t! As usual, you get on here and plaster your useless comments all over FI. I'm impressed that you did add some content in addition to the usual insult- it's a step in the right direction. It's completely obvious that you don't give a d*mn about this place, so why not save your F/O's the tyrany and move on now? You obviously have something to prove with your "burn it down attitute", rather than attempting to fix the problem via useful communication with the MEC chair. Sooner you move on the better- AZZ!

Okay...useless comments? Hmm, giving you fact (from APC) about other companies and it's useless....hmmm, yeah.....mmmmmmkay! The hourly rate may be less, but the fact that the majority of the carriers have "trip/duty rigs"does away with your point. Nice try though.

There you go Johnny boy. How bout them PEACHES!

 

[Tomct]

Tomct = class act

NOT


Too easy. Nice self portrait!

 

[HelloNewman]

Boy I sure feel sorry for anyone who has to fly any type of trip with tomct. He is clearly a raving lunatic who does nothing but rant and rave. His "predictions" are less than stellar. Basically whatever Tomct predicts the opposite usually happens.

 

[Tomct]

Boy I sure feel sorry for anyone who has to fly any type of trip with tomct. He is clearly a raving lunatic who does nothing but rant and rave. His "predictions" are less than stellar. Basically whatever Tomct predicts the opposite usually happens.

Newman will actually get a real job!:laugh:

 

[601Pilot]

Obviously you're only looking at what benafits you- take a look at the F/O payscales you dips^%t! As usual, you get on here and plaster your useless comments all over FI. I'm impressed that you did add some content in addition to the usual insult- it's a step in the right direction. It's completely obvious that you don't give a d*mn about this place, so why not save your F/O's the tyrany and move on now? You obviously have something to prove with your "burn it down attitute", rather than attempting to fix the problem via useful communication with the MEC chair. Sooner you move on the better- AZZ!

The MEC chair knows exactly what the pilot group wants and he knows it will take a strike to get it. Hopefully, we are working towards that goal. I lean more towards the "burn it down" crowd, but I would be happy if we come to an agreement without a strike. Unfortunately, some of our pilots are so scared of striking, they will take whatever the company offers to maintain their jobs. I believe the MEC knows that most of us will roll the dice on the future of ASA if we cannot come to an equitable agreement. These current negotiations will stretch beyond five years before we get an agreement, especially if we vote down the first one, which is almost guaranteed.

 

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