Logging landings as a CFI....

[pgcfii2002]

I know we can log PIC at all times while acting as an instructor, but do we log all the landings, regardless of whether or not the CFI or student performs them?

 

[aviator1978]

It's been posted on here before so try a search.

Here was my method...If I had to physically "help" the student with the landing I logged it. If I didn't, then no landing logged.

I really doubt any one will ever question you on them.

 

[svcta]

You're CFIing. Log it.

 

[Waldom]

I'm not a C.F.I., but I certainly respect the job you're doing.

If the student bends the airplane while receiving dual instruction on landings, who is responsible for the accident? You should most certainly log all the landings. Your hands and feet may not have touched the controls but your head was very much involved in every landing.

 

[aviator1978]

Here's the question in an older thread:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=52742&highlight=landings

 

[Doc Holiday]

61.57

To be able to act as PIC, you must have logged the three landings (etc., etc.) and you must have been sole manipulator of the controls.

61.51 outlines only what is required to be logged. Anything you log that exceeds those requirements is up to you.

My method while instructing was to put everything in MY logbook that I entered into my students' logbooks and included the students' names. That way if any questions were asked about who I flew with and what I did with them I had a record readily available. When I was sole manipulator of the controls during the takeoff and landing, I would make an extra note indicating that the takeoff and landing counted toward the required recency experience.

Hope this helps.

 

[midlifeflyer]

I know we can log PIC at all times while acting as an instructor, but do we log all the landings, regardless of whether or not the CFI or student performs them?

Assuming you're logging the landings for the purpose of proving your own currency (the only regulatory reason to log them) read the regulation and see what it says.

(Really good advice for those who say, "you're the CFI, log it" is, "You're the CFI. Learn to read the regulations that you're supposedly teaching.")

If you're not logging them to count them for currency purposes but just for the heck of it, then write something in your logbook to the effect of "these don't count."

 

[CJCCapt]

The reg and the FAA is very clear on this. There is an interpretation[FONT=&quot][/FONT] out (I will try to find it) and guidance in the FAA Inspectors Handbook.

61.57 states clearly you must be sole manipulator of the controls for landings to count for either day or night currency. You just can't sit there and watch your student do it and have it count. The FAA wants you to actually have some real practice at it.

Are you still responsible if the student screws up, sure. But that's the case even if you, the CFI, and a couple of your private pilot buddies are out flying around and you're dozing in the back seat when your buddy busts a TFR. Guess who's gonna get hung?

 

[eagle06]

Landings count for nothing except to keep you current. just log what you need for that and i wouldnt worry too much about it

 

[Amish RakeFight]

What I used to do was to split the landing column box diagonally. Top half is for student landings and bottom half is for me.

In order to log for currency you must be the sole manipulator.

Every so often you should demonstrate a proper crosswind landing, short or soft fielf landing, regular landing, 180 power off, etc.

It isn't hard to find 3 opportunities to accomplish this within 90 days.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I'm not a C.F.I., but I certainly respect the job you're doing.

If the student bends the airplane while receiving dual instruction on landings, who is responsible for the accident? You should most certainly log all the landings. Your hands and feet may not have touched the controls but your head was very much involved in every landing.

This is all very true, but we must compy with the regulations. Namely that you must be sole manipulator.


It ain't hard to get 3 landings in 90 days while instructing.

 

[AC560]

It ain't hard to get 3 landings in 90 days while instructing.

Don't forget to land when it is dark out as well.

 

[av8orboy]

Your PIC. You log it.

 

[The_Russian]

Your PIC. You log it.

Not always. What if the student is rated for and in the aircraft? PIC is determined in the briefing. You cannot log the landing unless you perform the landing. You can keep your currency by demonstrating landings to students.

 

[acaTerry]

I log them all but don't count them for currency. Logging them is a matter of CYA in case a student said they did not get to do enough landings if / when they get into trouble.

 

[siucavflight]

As a CFI I logged every landing I was in the airplane for, you are PIC, you are responsible if any metal gets bent. I went in for interviews at 6 different 121 operators, now work at Eagle, and never had anyone question it.

 

[fussle]

Anytime you are acting as the flight instructor, you may log that time as PIC, even if they have their commercial certificate 61.51 (e)(3). Although technically, the landings where you were not the sole manipulator of the controls would not count towards your 90 day currency as per 61.57 (a)(1)(i).

 

[greyhound]

I don't log landings that I didn't perform, so I have to keep track on whether or not I'm current when I want to go up on my own with passengers (especially during the night).
Instrument approaches/Holding are also things I don't log for myself when I teach unless I'm on an IFR flight plan in actual.

 

[Seadogrun]

But that's the case even if you, the CFI, and a couple of your private pilot buddies are out flying around and you're dozing in the back seat when your buddy busts a TFR. Guess who's gonna get hung?

I have heard of this, but haven't actually read anything on this case. Could you point me in the right direction to find any literature on this case?

Was it the FAA that brough charges against the back seat sleeper? Or was it in civil court (lawsuit) that declared the back seater responsible? Any help would be appreciated.

 

[Lazy8]

Not always. What if the student is rated for and in the aircraft? PIC is determined in the briefing. You cannot log the landing unless you perform the landing. You can keep your currency by demonstrating landings to students.

You are always PIC while acting as an instructor even if you're with a rated pilot. The rated pilot you're with may be making the decisions, but the instructor has final authority and responsibility over the flight.