Pre-9/11 Pay

[fried chickens]

Just wondering what the pay was at the legacy airlines prior to all the pay cuts. Airlinepilotcentral only shows what it is now but what was it in the good ol' days.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

You're better off not knowing.

 

[Purpledog]

Add about 10% to all FDX scales and that's about it. That was 6 years ago.

 

[airfogey]

It wasn't so much the pay rates as the lack of productivity that hurt the legacies-in the "good ole days" I believe UAL was flying about 34 hours/month actual hard time per pilot versus over 70 hours at Southwest--not saying thats good or bad but Southwest didn't go thru the gut wrenching trauma that the legacies did after 9-11. Fortunately or unfortunately 99% of the flying public is interested in price only.

Airfogey

 

[AdlerDriver]

Just wondering what the pay was at the legacy airlines prior to all the pay cuts. Airlinepilotcentral only shows what it is now but what was it in the good ol' days.

Here's one data point. It might be off a dollar one way or the other because I've tried to forget.
757/767 Right seat 3 year pay: $145/hour - 78 hour guarantee (UAL)

 

[AA717driver]

AA was on the low end of things: MD80 CA $185/hr.

I believe Delta's MD80's were $210/hr.

I don't have a problem being more productive, just don't keep me out 3 more days a month on non-productive trips. That's the typical management answer. TC

 

[800Dog]

Add about 10% to all FDX scales and that's about it. That was 6 years ago.

More like add 30% to FDX scales and you have pre-911 rates at Delta and United.

 

[peter185]

Delta 777 CA topped out at $320/hour, that number doesn't include per diem or any overrides.

 

[248to2.8]

Also the actual dollar amount is just one small thing. A lot of the great work rules that were around have gone away as well. These made a certain payrate usually even better.

 

[rayford steele]

$115 an hour right seat on the Bus at AAAfor year 4. Oh those were the good days.

 

[tomgoodman]

Management's target

Back in the day, conventional wisdom at the majors was that if management were free to set pilot wages, they would impose about a 50% cut. They wouldn't try for more than that, or they wouldn't be able to get quality pilots.
Some think this has now come to pass, or will shortly. Others fear that the downside limit is much lower.

 

[stillflyn]

$123 hr right seat of 737. Fourth year pay.

 

[blzr]

While pilots salaries have taken a big hit, Executive pay and bonus' have gone through the roof.

 

[stillflyn]

$123 hr right seat of 737. Fourth year pay.

Forgot to say it buy that was at UAL.

 

[Going2Baja]

This thread just turned my N. County Times Horoscope 5 Star Day into a 2 Star.....Thanks!!! 18 years in the industry and making $35/hr on Reserve. But I did just get my 15 year ALPA pin in the mail...JOKE!! Oh well - at least I'm driving to work.

Baja.

BTW - As I post this I see CoogeeBeach lurking....I really wish I was sitting on the beach now in OZ sipping a Toohey's Blue!!

 

[OzBushWhacker]

You mean a "New" mate. Thats what we drink these days

 

[SiuDude]

The CA rate at DL was at $130 on the CV-880.

 

[holmie]

110.00 an hour on the DC9 NWA pre 9-11 yr 3. New contract 67.00 hr. Bummer.

 

[FLYLOW22]

US Airways

Paid $212 for the A320 CA yr 12.

$94/hr right seat at yr 3.

Made it worth it to deal with all the crap.


Not any longer.

$124 and $72 now.

Scew that noise.

I won't even mention the E190 rates of "pay".

 

[Green]

FedEx isn´t even close to pre911 DAL and UAl. End of contract pay rates at DAL and UAL for top widebody captians was in excess of $340-hour!!! Add to that unreal work rules and you have a great career. I heard AMR management had offered the DAL contract but the pilots were holding out for more. Then 9-11 hit. None of this working 99 hours a month Bs to make a decent living. oh well.....

 

[AA717driver]

Green--APA wasn't holding out for more. Along with "giving" DL pay, AA management included the concept of providing for "Baseball-style Arbitration" to deal with the contract.

That would mean the company would put forth a proposal and the union would put forth a proposal and a "neutral" arbitrator would choose one of the proposals. There would be no cherry-picking by the arbitrator.

APA passed. (Correctly.) TC

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Continental widebody CA pay was 203.79/hr plus $6 Int'l override. This was industry bottom! Had UAL not had to make concessions their 744 CA pay would be $355.82/hr. today. $330,000 a year to be a pilot sure would have been nice.....

 

[instructordude]

Here's one data point. It might be off a dollar one way or the other because I've tried to forget.
757/767 Right seat 3 year pay: $145/hour - 78 hour guarantee (UAL)

You're talking about a check airman right??? Sitting in the right seat of course. That pay is gross but also incredibly awesome!

 

[CTflyer]

Here's one data point. It might be off a dollar one way or the other because I've tried to forget.
757/767 Right seat 3 year pay: $145/hour - 78 hour guarantee (UAL)

Yep........you are off by a dollar....Ah the good ole' days

 

[Mooneymite]

Seem to remember DAL 757/767 domestic captain made $265/hr. However, the controversial "greenslip" overtime paid double that.

Prior to 9/11, of the 500 highest paid employees at Delta, 450 were pilots. Certainly that is no longer true.

However, it may have all been just a dream. I can't be sure.

 

[dojetdriver]

I wish I had saved them, used to have all of them on my computer.

But in addtion to the above UAL 74, I think 75/76 was around 225ish/hr, A320 around 215ish/hr, and the 73was 205ish/hr.

I believe DAL 737NG FO 2nd year was something like 120.

 

[Hardcorr]

How bout 141.00/hr in the right seat of a DAL MD-88. Fifth yr pay. Now 44 a trip at SWA. Just a bit of a hit

 

[Varig]

American Airlines

Year A/C Position Pay/month
1 B727 FE $2316
F-100 FO $2701
B737 FO "
MD-80 FO "
2 B727 FE $3539
F100 FO $4169
MD-80 FO $4487
B737 FO $4609
5 F100 FO $7156
B737 FO $7910
A300 FO $8551
B777 FO $9859
10 MD80 CPT $12912
B727 CPT $12994
B737 CPT $13263
A300 FO $9678
B777 FO $11158
12 MD80 CPT $13108
B727 CPT $13191
B737 CPT $13465
A300 CPT $14557
B777 CPT $16782

Pay rates based on contract signed 5/5/97; amendable 8/31/01
Rates shown based on 74 hours/month
No per diem included

 

[AMRCostUnit]

$163 per hour on the 777 as FO with international override...

after the 2003 pay cut and the displacement...

$113 per hour on the 737 as FO

Plus, lost a third of vacation, sick time, and the medical tripled.

Unit
Ah, the good old days...

 

[Aplus9]

110.00 an hour on the DC9 NWA pre 9-11 yr 3. New contract 67.00 hr. Bummer.

For a DC-9? Oh Lord....