PCL off the Runway in TVC--no injuries

[SEVEN]

KTVC 120453Z 02008KT 1/4SM SN VV002 00/M01 A2951 RMK AO2 SLP000 P0008 T00001006 400221022
KTVC 120445Z 02008KT 1/4SM +SN VV002 00/M01 A2952 RMK AO2 P0007
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KTVC 120430Z 04008KT 1/2SM -SN VV004 00/M01 A2952 RMK AO2 P000[/FONT]

Looks like they landed with a 5 knot or so tailwind at the time of arrival 0430z. I hope the Captain was flying and not the new fo.

 

[DoinTime]

It was captain flying.

 

[SEVEN]

It was captain flying.

Bad weather, a long day of teaching IOE, and fatigue. Not a good combo.

 

[B1900FO]

Yeah, for one it most likely was the Captain flying especially with an OE fo and the weather like it was.

All you people who bash young pilots, grow up.

You know that if you were given the opportunity to be hired at an airline when you had 300, 500, 600 hours you WOULD have taken it. Don't be so modest and act like you would have turned it down. I'm tired of hearing about this low time fo crap. Big stinkin deal. I seem to remember many old guys augering big airplanes in, including a chief pilot at American. The point is, it doesn't matter who's flying the airplane, stuff can happen. It's terrible that guys lose their lives out there, but it happens, REGARDLESS of age and experience.

 

[Papps]

Yeah, for one it most likely was the Captain flying especially with an OE fo and the weather like it was.

All you people who bash young pilots, grow up.

You know that if you were given the opportunity to be hired at an airline when you had 300, 500, 600 hours you WOULD have taken it. Don't be so modest and act like you would have turned it down. I'm tired of hearing about this low time fo crap. Big stinkin deal. I seem to remember many old guys augering big airplanes in, including a chief pilot at American. The point is, it doesn't matter who's flying the airplane, stuff can happen. It's terrible that guys lose their lives out there, but it happens, REGARDLESS of age and experience.

uh oh...... you may have just tripled the length of this tread with that one.:bomb:

 

[The_Russian]

Well, he's right.

 

[Papps]

Well, he's right.

No he sounds like a whiney spoiled brat that came from money, and is pissed at captains that aren't as worried about his feelings as mommy and daddy are.

believe me, captains are as tired of your crap attitude as you are of the low time pilot argument.

PFTers and ultra low time rich kids are annoyed when people talk about experience because its the one thing that they dont have, and its something that mom and dad cant cut a check for.

 

[Shaheen]

Yeah, for one it most likely was the Captain flying especially with an OE fo and the weather like it was.

All you people who bash young pilots, grow up.

You know that if you were given the opportunity to be hired at an airline when you had 300, 500, 600 hours you WOULD have taken it. Don't be so modest and act like you would have turned it down. I'm tired of hearing about this low time fo crap. Big stinkin deal. I seem to remember many old guys augering big airplanes in, including a chief pilot at American. The point is, it doesn't matter who's flying the airplane, stuff can happen. It's terrible that guys lose their lives out there, but it happens, REGARDLESS of age and experience.

Very well said!

I agree that most of these guys who bash relatively low-time new hires would've jumped to the same chance if there were presented with it. It shows their intense dislike for someone who gets a shot at flying jets with 600 or so Total Hours of flight time simply because the opportunity did not exist at the time when they had relatively low time.

I would like just ONE of them to provide a solid proof that they applied for a jet position with those numbers, was offered a job, and then turned down the offer because of their conviction.

Most of those who put down low time new-hires are the ones who waited a very long time and many thousands of hours before getting a shot at the airline/jet flying.

I find it fascinating that when 'major' airline pilots makes mistakes, most of these guys come to their defence!

 

[The_Russian]

No he sounds like a whiney spoiled brat that came from money, and is pissed at captains that aren't as worried about his feelings as mommy and daddy are.

No he doesn't. He makes a legit point. If we want to compare arguements, you sound like someone who is jealous of those who may be more well off than you are.

believe me, captains are as tired of your crap attitude as you are of the low time pilot argument.

As if anyone in this industry shows a stellar attitude. You need to learn to deal with it. Not everyone will have the same level of dedication to aviation as you will or do already. As a Captain, I feel your pain. But, I can't change anyone. In my position, I can only guide them. Maybe you should try the same instead of posting crap like this which makes you look like the one with the poor attitude.

PFTers and ultra low time rich kids are annoyed when people talk about experience because its the one thing that they dont have, and its something that mom and dad cant cut a check for.

What does money have to do with this? Family or personal weath has nothing to do with airlines hiring low time pilots. In fact, most of the GIA guys at PCL worked two or three jobs to get their time paid off. The rest (a good 30%) are ex mil pilots and enlisted. Let me tell you, less than 5% or so of your so called "PFT'ers" are "rich kids".

Get over it, and life will get easier for you.

 

[IFIxUmUBrakeUm]

Well I think that the 17 crj-200's taken out of PNCL fleet will go to mesaba

 

[The_Russian]

Bad weather, a long day of teaching IOE, and fatigue. Not a good combo.

Fatigue? No.........that doesn't exist.

Thanks,

-Airline Management

 

[DrewBlows]

The story isn't that an airplane went off the runway or Joe Notime was the pilot, but that it's April 12 and there was a snow storm in Michigan severe enough to ruin breaking action. Screw Michigan, I need to move to Florida.

 

[bertengineer]

Well I think that the 17 crj-200's taken out of PNCL fleet will go to mesaba

Nevermind!

 

[taters]

OE Captain

Here goes ..................................

Was the captain a GIA wonder, or was the FO fresh out of JetU???

Fire away!

checked sabre trac.....OE Captain



edit.....ok already posted sorry

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

There's some big news coming from NASA in a few weeks on this. NASA aeronautical/human factors scientists have determined that you must have flown exactly 1337 hours - no more, no less - before you can successfully and safely fly a regional jet.

Amazing.