Management Pilots Fired at ASA?

[ASARJMan]

Gary Hall and Sorrell fired from their positions. Anyone know why and if this is true? Any more shake-ups going on at the Kremlin (aka the G/O).

 

[John Pennekamp]

Gary got the ax? Well there goes the ONLY continuous member of management's negoitiating team since the beginning. That's interesting.

 

[jacksjj]

I thought all he did was drink...

Just kidding... I like Gary.

 

[ASACAPT]

Gary got the ax? Well there goes the ONLY continuous member of management's negoitiating team since the beginning. That's interesting.

Gary Gross is the Gary that is on the Neg Com. Gary Hall is safety manager.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Gary Gross is the Gary that is on the Neg Com. Gary Hall is safety manager.

Doh!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Gary Gross is the Gary that is on the Neg Com. Gary Hall is safety manager.

Of course that makes it even more interesting. Didn't ALPA just put out a very embarassing report about ASA maintenance sawing the pitot tube of a CRJ and flying it? One that ASA threatened to sue the union if they didn't retract it? Perhaps a little too much heat on corporate safety?

And wasn't Sorrell a bigwig in the CRJ engineering department? Hmmm...

 

[Huck]

Tom was the first RJ standards guy. I was in his class. He was also the head of the BAe-146 dept. He taught me on that thing too.

Hell of a pilot back then.

 

[Freebrd]

Why they get fired? I like 'em both. Good guys unless the management koolaid got 'em!

 

[AMANSWORLD]

ASA is a complete train wreck waiting to happen. I feel bad for the people who try on a daily basis to make that operation work. It is time for the quality people to move on to greener pastures where they will be appreciated.

I left and have had no regrets after 8 very long years there. Jobs that pay and treat their employees better are out there guys and gals- I have have met several respectable aviation outfits that offered CAREERS!

 

[wms]

Meanwhile AD, the one currently responsible for our ramp, and who was the VP of maint and engineering during the pitot tube incident, is promoted to COO after DAL forces ASA to fire all the rampers. Where's the justice?

 

[wms]

I left and have had no regrets after 8 very long years there. Jobs that pay and treat their employees better are out there guys and gals- I have have met several respectable aviation outfits that offered CAREERS!

Didn't I see you at FSI ATL in uniform on Fri? Did you leave since?

 

[~~~^~~~]

I've been hearing the same rumor and asked one of Gary's subordinates about it. He would not confirm the rumor but told me:
(1) The GO is being downsized because ASA is being downsized. The loss of 1,700 employees means there is less safety related work to do.
(2) ASA is going to be one of 7 DCI carriers in ATL and will probably be brought down to 20% of ATL flying when contracts allow this to happen

Independently, I had been told that SkyWest does not have a similar department and did not understand why ASA needed one.

However, after nearly getting rammed by a Delta tug driver, the ramp change will NOT diminish the need for a safety department, or at least someone to follow up on all the ramp rash and damage that our airplanes recieve. If no one chases this money down SkyWest is literally going to lose millions of dollars in repair costs.

Also, Gary Hall alternatively could be very helpful and very harmful when dealing with the FAA. If that position is not going to be staffed it would be good to know what is the appropriate conduit between the Certificate Holder and those with the power to take that Certificate away.

I don't think ASA will go all the way down to 20%. But the mood in the GO is worse than I've ever seen it and SkyWest has been very direct about getting rid of the more highly compensated employees over there. At the same time I see SkyWest installing some of their managers in maintenance which is probably a good thing. At least it means we will be around a little longer or else they would not be coming here, right?

 

[Sinca3]

Who got canned, Gary Hall or Gary Gross?
Hall has been around behind the scenes doing a whole lot of nothing for the past 3 years, so if his position disappeared so be it. Gross is a complete a$$ and wouldn't be missed by anyone outside of the "Kremlin"

 

[samballs]

Of course that makes it even more interesting. Didn't ALPA just put out a very embarassing report about ASA maintenance sawing the pitot tube of a CRJ and flying it? One that ASA threatened to sue the union if they didn't retract it? Perhaps a little too much heat on corporate safety?

And wasn't Sorrell a bigwig in the CRJ engineering department? Hmmm...

Isn't it more embarassing that the pilots flew the plane

 

[Medeco]

Isn't it more embarassing that the pilots flew the plane

Actually, its more embarassing that your would make that comment, as a fellow pilot.

One thing I learned early is don't ever say you would never do something in an airplane that in hindsight looks so obvious to others after the fact.

Medeco

 

[McNugent]

Isn't it more embarassing that the pilots flew the plane

Don't we all live in glass houses here? You don't know the people or the situation surrounding that flight. I happened to fly with the captain who flew that plane a couple weeks ago. Great guy and a very good captain. He told me the whole story, not pieces of it like most have heard. You might want to get some more facts about that situation before making comments like this.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

So if Gary and Mary are gone with noone to replace them, then who will run the ASAP program?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

So if Gary and Mary are gone with noone to replace them, then who will run the ASAP program?

ASAP program.... That's a good one. Thanks, I needed a laugh.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

The dispatchers actually have an ASAP. I had hopes of us getting one after negotiations, but I guess that isn't going to happen.

 

[pipi]

Well Said

Actually, its more embarassing that your would make that comment, as a fellow pilot.

One thing I learned early is don't ever say you would never do something in an airplane that in hindsight looks so obvious to others after the fact.

Medeco




Well said. Pilots who think they will never ever make a mistake scare the hell out of me.

 

[Texx]

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[ASARJMan]

So if Gary and Mary are gone with noone to replace them, then who will run the ASAP program?

Good riddance! Neither one was worth a crap. Gary a typical politician-type. Hope his arse gets put back on line! Delta pilots will have to deal w/ Mary.

 

[skyfrogge]

So, where did she go?

 

[jacksjj]

Mary went to Mother Delta.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Isn't it more embarassing that the pilots flew the plane

Pretty tough talk for a gear bitch on a 1900. If MX says its airworthy for a ferry, how you gonna double check, call Montreal? As an A&P and IA for 20+ years, I will not question the mechanics, unless its so obvious. A pitot tube/mast is not one of them, engineering in Montreal will give thumbs up or down. If you got a ferry permit you are most likely gonna go. Now go charge the pod, gel the hair and reorganize the backpack.
PBR

 

[~~~^~~~]

I understand Montreal was never called, that was part of the problem.

 

[701EV]

Pretty tough talk for a gear bitch on a 1900. If MX says its airworthy for a ferry, how you gonna double check, call Montreal? As an A&P and IA for 20+ years, I will not question the mechanics, unless its so obvious. A pitot tube/mast is not one of them, engineering in Montreal will give thumbs up or down. If you got a ferry permit you are most likely gonna go. Now go charge the pod, gel the hair and reorganize the backpack.
PBR

PBR your joking right?

As the PIC I question everything maintanence tell me and just because they say its ok dosen't mean its ok ferry or not! If I'm not comfortable with it I will not fly it. Maintanence will lead you down the primrose path if you let them.

The Captain who flew the aircraft with the sawed off pitot tube at the time was a new Captain. To mainanence thats fresh meat they will tell you anything to get you to take an airplane.

701EV

 

[regionalcap]

PBR your joking right?

As the PIC I question everything maintanence tell me and just because they say its ok dosen't mean its ok ferry or not! If I'm not comfortable with it I will not fly it. Maintanence will lead you down the primrose path if you let them.

The Captain who flew the aircraft with the sawed off pitot tube at the time was a new Captain. To mainanence thats fresh meat they will tell you anything to get you to take an airplane.

701EV

Amen. I have refused a couple of airplanes that maintenance tried to push me into. They are not the ones that have to fly the plane. Was I wrong in disagreeing with MTC? I don't think so. 99% of the time I feel comfortable with a mechanic's decision. However, if your gut is telling you that it doesn't seem right then it is your duty to speak up. My career is on the line too.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Didn't I see you at FSI ATL in uniform on Fri? Did you leave since?

Not me I left in mid february. Never have any intentions of ever being in ATL again!!!

 

[Airboss]

The other week the airplane we we on had some oil (maybe 2 oz.) on the engine exhaust. I called Mx and they said its no big deal fine to fly...i said thats fine let me write it up and you can ops check ok it.....then they actually investigated it more and we swapped airplanes because it was a few hour job to change some of the carbon seals.