ALPA chest thumpers

[siucavflight]

I've been at a lot of places and I've never, not once, seen someone get fired for nothing. Maybe for something I personally thought should NOT have gotten them fired but NEVER for nothing.

Maybe not as many as you think. It happens all of the time, and ALPA is very good at getting your job back.

 

[BigMeat]

happens ALL THE TIME too, right? Nobody gets fired for any legitimate reason. Its ALWAYS for no reason at all.....please give REZ back his crack pipe. Or ALPA koolaid mug. Whichever.

YOU are part of the problem. You are not offering a solution. I would rather be smoking crack with REZ than be pissing and moaning like you. People like you eat up alot of union time trying to show you why we need your support instead of working on bettering things. People like you need somone to smooth your ego. If you pay dues then help. If you choose not to then it is your choice. If you choose to bitch and moan and pay dues and take away quality time from our volunteer ALPA group because you dont understand why you are not making 150k flying an RJ, then you have a problem. If you want to better things then fight for it and dont point fingers at those who are trying.

Proud to be an ALPA CHEST THUMPER (its better than the alternative)

Bigmeat

 

[ohplease!]

I have a friend who was fired from a non-ALPA carrier. The company refused to tell him why he was fired, or even give him the courtesy of a face-to-face meeting to discuss it. He thinks it has something to do with a letter which found it's way to the FAA detailing the company's pilot pushing and refusal to adhere to duty time regulations. The bottom line is he has no recourse or even a story to tell, detailing why he was fired, at future interviews. To kick a guy while he was down, the company refused his unemployment insurance and appealed when the State ruled in my friend's favor. That's a class operation and a prime example of why ALPA is needed in this business.

yeah. everybody has a "friend" that got fired for "no reason"...I think you've all had way too much alpa wine/koolaid/whiskey/cookies/crack/whatever. I think you've got a bad case of Stockholm syndrome and alpa is your captor.

Its alright though. A guy has to have something to believe in I guess. Rock on!

 

[ohplease!]

YOU are part of the problem. You are not offering a solution. I would rather be smoking crack with REZ than be pissing and moaning like you. People like you eat up alot of union time trying to show you why we need your support instead of working on bettering things. People like you need somone to smooth your ego. If you pay dues then help. If you choose not to then it is your choice. If you choose to bitch and moan and pay dues and take away quality time from our volunteer ALPA group because you dont understand why you are not making 150k flying an RJ, then you have a problem. If you want to better things then fight for it and dont point fingers at those who are trying.

Proud to be an ALPA CHEST THUMPER (its better than the alternative)

Bigmeat

I'm not complaining or pointing fingers. I just think you hardliner types are nuts. But you're a great source of entertainment on a boring overnight.

 

[siucavflight]

Everyone does have a friend.
Eagle crew Jan 2nd 2006, out of San Louis Obispo fired for picking up ice in an aircraft that had a deferred anti ice system, icing conditions encountered, plane out of contral, pilots did a fantastic job recovering and saving everyones life, fired the next day, thanks to ALPA they come back to work next monday.

 

[ohplease!]

Everyone does have a friend.
Eagle crew Jan 2nd 2006, out of San Louis Obispo fired for picking up ice in an aircraft that had a deferred anti ice system, icing conditions encountered, plane out of contral, pilots did a fantastic job recovering and saving everyones life, fired the next day, thanks to ALPA they come back to work next monday.

took off into icing conditions without anti ice? hmmm. I'd like to see their mel book. I know ours would not allow flight into known or forcast icing conditions.

Please tell me theres more to that story...

 

[CopilotDoug]

That's a class operation and a prime example of why ALPA is needed in this business.

ALPA? Or just a Union? As Ohplease stated, there is deffinitely a faction of hardline fanatical ALPA supporters on this thread.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I didn't invent the game or make up the rules. Why do you have to pay taxes, work, get out of bed and breathe?

And sometimes when there is taxation without representation, you need a Boston Tea Party and a Revolution. Some of us tired of playing games.... it isn't a game....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Uh, ALPA national legal told TSA to take the deal. That their MEC decided to fight a loosing battle was their decision.

Turbo

Doesn't alter the fact that ALPA isn't working at TSA. You can push the blame around, but there is only one ALPA. I agree they should have taken the deal and combined the two groups.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Smart people realize that this is the way it is both the CapHill Game and life in general... that these things cannot be directly and instantly controlled.

What kind of beaten down attitude is that?!? You'll probably come back and say, "It's a realistic attitude." or "It's the Law"
And you're calling other people "Sheep" ???

This is why the regionals SUCK. You have a Union with weak leadership telling the pilots "That's the way it is, we can't change it" For some reason though, the leaders can't be rotated out too soon because they have SOOO much experience which is a prerequisite to hold a leadership position with ALPA. Sounds like good job security at a cushy position to me. As DXRick said, these guys are looking to get out of their flying to get paid more. The regionals should give ALPA the boot and set up their own in house Union...a REAL union.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Kinda surprising comment coming from an ASA pilot......no a Skywest Holdings pilot

Not surprising at all Shrek. We are making the exact same mistake here that TSA made. Your right about Skywest Holdings.... I don't agree with ALPA. ALPA thinks they are stronger than they really are. If you don't have scope of your flying, you don't have $hit...

 

[CopilotDoug]

And sometimes when there is taxation without representation, you need a Boston Tea Party and a Revolution. Some of us tired of playing games.... it isn't a game....

Amen brother

 

[Occam's Razor]

And sometimes when there is taxation without representation, you need a Boston Tea Party and a Revolution. Some of us tired of playing games.... it isn't a game....

Screw that! Find yourself a bottom-feeding bunch of lawyers and sue! You're a victim!

 

[JoeMerchant]

What did you tell ALPA:

ASA Pilot: "We need better pay for the equipment we fly!"

ASA ALPA: "No. You guys make too much as it is. There are millions of you willing to take this job so you will get a sucky contract!"

I dont buy it. What does ACA have to do with anything and scope? They are not the mothership so they didnt call all the shots on who got the flying.

Mesaba? You are joking right. They had the a very good contract. Reason is a strong union over there. Those guys are militant.

You know Joe why dont you vote all unions out so that we have no voice. Then watch as Ornstein has your sorry ass flying around a barbie jet for 50k. You really must get on here for attention or something. I want to see you start a drive at ASA to remove all bargaining power. No? Then you are a hypocrite. Better yet, I thought you were one of those RJDC supporters right? Tell me Im wrong.

No BigMeat, ALPA national told us we were asking for too much in 1998. We were just a regional and we couldn't ask for as much as we were asking.

In 2000 we tried, with the CMR pilots, to combine all pilot groups at DAL, Inc. into a single group. Again ALPA fought us.

At ASA, we have spent as much time fighting ALPA as we have management.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Screw that! Find yourself a bottom-feeding bunch of lawyers and sue! You're a victim!

Occam,
That's right - sometimes legal action is what it takes to get things done. Doesn't ALPA resort to legal action sometimes? Doesn't ALPA sue sometimes? What's good for the goose...

Do you know what finally got the Catholic Church to address the abuse problem it had? It was legal action. Without it, nothing would have been done...

As far as the "victim", yes we are ALL victims of failed scope policy. The mainline pilots have actually suffered more than the regional pilots.... it is time for a change.

 

[737 Pylt]

Not surprising at all Shrek. We are making the exact same mistake here that TSA made. Your right about Skywest Holdings.... I don't agree with ALPA. ALPA thinks they are stronger than they really are. If you don't have scope of your flying, you don't have $hit...

I find it humorous that a scumbag like you talks about scope over flying....The very scope you are trying to have eliminated!
Talk about hypocritical!
Get lost joey.....Back to the asa bitch board!

In 2000 we tried, with the CMR pilots, to combine all pilot groups at DAL, Inc. into a single group. Again ALPA fought us.

A seniority grab is not trying to form a single group. But now we all know that you're not too capable of the truth!

At ASA, we have spent as much time fighting ALPA as we have management.

What's this we? You got a mouse in your pocket! I'd say you're doing a good, no make that great job of fighting ALPA joey! You and your pal Danno, along with LJ have made quite a name and reputation for yourselves in this industry.....Good thing you don't have any desire to leave ASA!

737

 

[CopilotDoug]

Joe,

Your biggest opposition to booting ALPA will be the mainline guys or the very senior RJ Captains who don't want to muddy the waters at the stage of their game. Oh well, ignorance IS bliss...for THEM

 

[ironspud]

Unfortunately, when threatened with termination, the First Officer resigned his position to protect his aviation career and because he was probationary at the time, did not have access to the grievance process for terminations.

Yah man.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Yah man.

How do you think the FO feels about ALPA?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I find it humorous that a scumbag like you talks about scope over flying....The very scope you are trying to have eliminated!
Talk about hypocritical!
Get lost joey.....Back to the asa bitch board!


A seniority grab is not trying to form a single group. But now we all know that you're not too capable of the truth!

737

How can ALPA Merger Policy be a "seniority grab"?

As for scope, we have none at the regional level. It won't hurt us if it is elimated........... It may hurt you, but that isn't my concern......