CAL JAN Class Breakdowns

[BoilerUP]

I didn't intend to start any kind of anti-GoJet flame war. I've fought that battle in the past and moved on...but I haven't forgotten.

I just think its interesting somebody would list "United Express" as their former airline...because United Express, as an airline, does not exist.

 

[bssthound]

there was an article from the CEO talking about the appreciation of all of the military pilots at CAL and those that were deployed. He made a HUGE point about how over 50 percent of all CAL pilots were prior military and that they drew from military.

Not getting into the well beaten mil vs civ background here, but the contrast between the CEO's article and the hiring backgrounds listed here is very interesting.

A friend in my Reserve unit just got hired by CAL. He is a Comair Captain. The hiring numbers posted lead me to believe there could be some Guard, Reserve, or prior service folks listed by their current airlines, as opposed to military experience. Just my hypothesis.

 

[AJL5236]

Has there been any 135/91 guys that get on with CAL - other than the fractionals? Is it a long shot, looks like they looking for a 121 background...?

 

[LJDRVR]

Very few. Maybe one a month on average. If you want to fly at a a major airline, the best thing you can do to increase you chances is to go work at an airline.

 

[LJDRVR]

A friend in my Reserve unit just got hired by CAL. He is a Comair Captain. The hiring numbers posted lead me to believe there could be some Guard, Reserve, or prior service folks listed by their current airlines, as opposed to military experience. Just my hypothesis.

I hope you're on to something, but I don't think so. Ive been really surprised by the low amount of military we seem to be hiring here.

 

[ACWild]

I hope you're on to something, but I don't think so. Ive been really surprised by the low amount of military we seem to be hiring here.

Actually, a lot of the people that I've flown with have military backgrounds at some point in their career. Men and women. At this point, I'd say it's fair to call it half. This doesn't mean that they were military pilots though.

 

[Flying the Line]

Trans States pilots are still bitchin' about Hulas starting UFS in 93 and how they lost all those jobs. What's the difference now?

 

[redbook]

I'm talking about the HR departments.

I misunderstood. Sorry.

And I agree with your original post then.

 

[acbarney]

Actually, a lot of the people that I've flown with have military backgrounds at some point in their career. Men and women. At this point, I'd say it's fair to call it half. This doesn't mean that they were military pilots though.

In my class, a year and a half ago, most pilots were listed as former 121 guys. However, probably half of those 121 guys also had some form of military flying mixed in their careers. There were very few 121 virgins, I think 3 out of 20 were straight out of the military.

 

[Scrapdog]

I hope you're on to something, but I don't think so. Ive been really surprised by the low amount of military we seem to be hiring here.

LJDRVR - that is 100 percent correct. CAL has always statistically been a major that does not like to hire a "more proportionate" amount of mil folks vs. its civilian folks. Let's call it how it is. My class of 20 guys - 2 mil guys. That's 10 percent - way low and disproportionate. The class after me - 20 guys, 3 mil folks...etc, etc. Look at a typical SWA, FDX, UPS breakdown. A SWA class of 12 folks - typically 5,6,7 mil flyers. FDX has about 50 percent per class, sometimes slightly more. Much more proportionate than CAL. But that's CAL's modus operandi, now - and in the past. Things that make you go hmmm...

 

[BoilerUP]

Not trying to start another civvy vs. military flamewar, but anybody have an idea what would be the proportion of qualified civilian pilots vs. military pilots applying for these jobs?

 

[Scrapdog]

Not trying to start another civvy vs. military flamewar, but anybody have an idea what would be the proportion of qualified civilian pilots vs. military pilots applying for these jobs?

You just started a flamewar! Just kidding dude...I don't think anyone would obviously have those numbers in the open unless they worked for the HR or hiring department directly. I can tell you there are a lot of app's on file and I know quite a few "very qualified" mil guys with apps in. And I do know quite a few mil guys that had great backgrounds that got turned down recently while there are plenty of "not as qualified" civ folks that do get the job. I guess you have to define "qualified" but those mil folks have 1000 hours or more of high performance jet PIC. But then, beauty is in the eye of the beholder...CAL can be looking for different qualities than say SWA or FDX. Again, things that make you go hmmm...

 

[LJDRVR]

My guess is we hire a lower percentage of military than apply, which is unfortunate. You want a well-rounded crewforce. We're a bit weak when you compare regional vs. the Charter/Corporate pipeline too, for what it's worth.

Then you have freaks that did all three!

 

[AJL5236]

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I'm currently working for 135/91 operation flying about 450 hrs a year and would like to make my way over to CAL. I have 2 internal rec's. I should reach all the mins in about 6 months, and I know they are only mins, but which is the best track.

Should I stay where I am and get some turbine pic time while getting the minimum times OR should I apply to a regional (xjt) and stock up on tt time and not go for the pic time to hope to make it to CAL before the door closes? any suggestions...

 

[cactusboy53]

:nuts: What an odd concept! Acutally growing a mainline airline instead of seeking airlines to aquire and/or merge with. Congrats to the newhires!