US Recalls

[Iflewjetz]

Thanks Crzipilot. What group is the 330? Did anyone that talked to Charmaine find out the bases?

 

[Swaayze]

My understanding is that you will come back with longevity for only the time you were actively employed, iow no longevity accrual while on furlough so most of us back to year 3 or 4 payscale.

From another post somewhere the bid results indicated vacancies remained in pretty much all domiciles in varying numbers. G1 to PHL (both Int'l and Dom), and G2 to everywhere else IIRC.

Group 1/2 bases/equipment won't be assigned until you're in class, though they will let you know prior to accepting a class if you're looking at a 190 slot so you can defer.

 

[JetMonkey]

Hopefully the next announcement of recalls will include vacancies out west. BTW will have group II aircraft.

 

[JetMonkey]

Group III too, sorry. :smash:

 

[Crzipilot]

A330 isn't listed as a group, Just listed as A330

 

[abefly]

A330 isn't listed as a group, Just listed as A330

Four pay groups:
Group 1: A330-300
Group 2: B767-200, B757-200, A321
Group 3: B737, A319, A320
Group 4: E190 (rates per TA or as re-negotiated)

 

[charterpuke]

Looks like a continued windfall for the east.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Looks like a continued windfall for the east.

Well the east is where all the retirements are coming from, so how is that a windfall? So far the recalls are all for attrition.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Ah yes. The windfall. Been on furlough for 6 years and they're finally recalling. We certainly did win the lottery. (do you sense any of this sarcasm?)

 

[Itsallsogood]

Well the east is where all the retirements are coming from, so how is that a windfall? So far the recalls are all for attrition.

Well, it is a windfall, unless of course you benefit. Then your mind becomes cloudy.

ALL retirements? ALL recalls?

Wrong. Recalls are for a lot of the west flying by the EAST, against the TA agreement, signed by the East, West and Doug. 9 flights a day to PHX from SAN, DFW, SEA, LAS etc. being flown by the East. The East pilots have lost a lot of respect by the West for their whipsawing tactics and their sucking up to Doug. ( "Well it benefits us.... Screw the West pilots" attitude, or "WE Lost Soooooo Much")

No loss of flying west? No retirements west?

Your cloudy noggin has an RVR of 666 at best.

 

[Crzipilot]

Not to mention, even with the recalls, Each bid the company has continued to cut down the total number of positions, It just so happens more guys are leaving then the company can cut out. I.E. there isn't growth there is still shrinkage. No furloughs, because of the number of retirements they are having, or people leaving early. Since the merger the east side has LOST over 600 positions. Meaning if things had stayed static, I.E. no movement such as the west side. There would have been ALL the recalls currently going on PLUS 600 more. So I understand the west side has stagnated, but have you lost 600 more positions off your total positions, since the merger was announced????

Yup sounds like a windfall......

 

[SUNDOWN]

Ah yes. The windfall. Been on furlough for 6 years and they're finally recalling. We certainly did win the lottery. (do you sense any of this sarcasm?)

Okay thats funny

 

[TWA Dude]

Sorry to interrupt the sniping and counter-sniping but here's some dispassionate facts. West is stagnant. East is recalling due to attrition and for slow growth soon due to the 190s. Easties are flying some former West routes and Westies are flying some former East routes; those block hours are a wash. The company recently has been compliant with the Transition agreement in this regard.

Interestingly, after two winters of being on reserve January and February this year I've had lines. I suspect we'll actually need to have some recalls come West by this summer unless something changes.

We need to unify to get a Joint Contract asap. Until we do the West will continue to stagnate and the East will continue to languish under a consessionary contract.

 

[BeCareful!]

Wrong. Recalls are for a lot of the west flying by the EAST, against the TA agreement, signed by the East, West and Doug. 9 flights a day to PHX from SAN, DFW, SEA, LAS etc. being flown by the East. The East pilots have lost a lot of respect by the West for their whipsawing tactics and their sucking up to Doug. ( "Well it benefits us.... Screw the West pilots" attitude, or "WE Lost Soooooo Much")

No loss of flying west? No retirements west?

Your cloudy noggin has an RVR of 666 at best.

What a joke. Your spin is wobbly, at best. West is doing East flying, too. How many SAN-PHL routes did you guys fly three years ago? Yeah? Well you do it now.

You and a few others here will be the last one's to get it. We are family. Get over it. And be happy you're on a winning team. Either that, or, hey, Continental is hiring. Maybe you want to get an early jump on NWA's big hiring spree.

 

[vetrider]

I haven't seen any "windfalls" anywhere, personally. Begrudging the east for their recalls is just wrong. We are all languishing one way or another. In my own situation I can't complain, it could be worse. I've been on reserve for pushing 3 years as a junior captain out west, but if I complain about that(which I won't), I would fully expect to get laughed off the island. The more recalls the better, the way I see it.

As usual, Twa Dude has it right, in my opinion.