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Thanks Crzipilot. What group is the 330? Did anyone that talked to Charmaine find out the bases?
 
My understanding is that you will come back with longevity for only the time you were actively employed, iow no longevity accrual while on furlough so most of us back to year 3 or 4 payscale.

From another post somewhere the bid results indicated vacancies remained in pretty much all domiciles in varying numbers. G1 to PHL (both Int'l and Dom), and G2 to everywhere else IIRC.

Group 1/2 bases/equipment won't be assigned until you're in class, though they will let you know prior to accepting a class if you're looking at a 190 slot so you can defer.
 
Hopefully the next announcement of recalls will include vacancies out west. BTW will have group II aircraft. :)
 
Ah yes. The windfall. Been on furlough for 6 years and they're finally recalling. We certainly did win the lottery. (do you sense any of this sarcasm?)
 
KeroseneSnorter said:
Well the east is where all the retirements are coming from, so how is that a windfall? So far the recalls are all for attrition.
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Well, it is a windfall, unless of course you benefit. Then your mind becomes cloudy.

ALL retirements? ALL recalls?

Wrong. Recalls are for a lot of the west flying by the EAST, against the TA agreement, signed by the East, West and Doug. 9 flights a day to PHX from SAN, DFW, SEA, LAS etc. being flown by the East. The East pilots have lost a lot of respect by the West for their whipsawing tactics and their sucking up to Doug. ( "Well it benefits us.... Screw the West pilots" attitude, or "WE Lost Soooooo Much")

No loss of flying west? No retirements west?

Your cloudy noggin has an RVR of 666 at best.
 
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Not to mention, even with the recalls, Each bid the company has continued to cut down the total number of positions, It just so happens more guys are leaving then the company can cut out. I.E. there isn't growth there is still shrinkage. No furloughs, because of the number of retirements they are having, or people leaving early. Since the merger the east side has LOST over 600 positions. Meaning if things had stayed static, I.E. no movement such as the west side. There would have been ALL the recalls currently going on PLUS 600 more. So I understand the west side has stagnated, but have you lost 600 more positions off your total positions, since the merger was announced????

Yup sounds like a windfall......
 
Sorry to interrupt the sniping and counter-sniping but here's some dispassionate facts. West is stagnant. East is recalling due to attrition and for slow growth soon due to the 190s. Easties are flying some former West routes and Westies are flying some former East routes; those block hours are a wash. The company recently has been compliant with the Transition agreement in this regard.

Interestingly, after two winters of being on reserve January and February this year I've had lines. I suspect we'll actually need to have some recalls come West by this summer unless something changes.

We need to unify to get a Joint Contract asap. Until we do the West will continue to stagnate and the East will continue to languish under a consessionary contract.
 
Itsallsogood said:
Wrong. Recalls are for a lot of the west flying by the EAST, against the TA agreement, signed by the East, West and Doug. 9 flights a day to PHX from SAN, DFW, SEA, LAS etc. being flown by the East. The East pilots have lost a lot of respect by the West for their whipsawing tactics and their sucking up to Doug. ( "Well it benefits us.... Screw the West pilots" attitude, or "WE Lost Soooooo Much")

No loss of flying west? No retirements west?

Your cloudy noggin has an RVR of 666 at best.
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What a joke. Your spin is wobbly, at best. West is doing East flying, too. How many SAN-PHL routes did you guys fly three years ago? Yeah? Well you do it now.

You and a few others here will be the last one's to get it. We are family. Get over it. And be happy you're on a winning team. Either that, or, hey, Continental is hiring. Maybe you want to get an early jump on NWA's big hiring spree.
 
I haven't seen any "windfalls" anywhere, personally. Begrudging the east for their recalls is just wrong. We are all languishing one way or another. In my own situation I can't complain, it could be worse. I've been on reserve for pushing 3 years as a junior captain out west, but if I complain about that(which I won't), I would fully expect to get laughed off the island. The more recalls the better, the way I see it.

As usual, Twa Dude has it right, in my opinion.
 
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TWA Dude said:
Sorry to interrupt the sniping and counter-sniping but here's some dispassionate facts. West is stagnant. East is recalling due to attrition and for slow growth soon due to the 190s. Easties are flying some former West routes and Westies are flying some former East routes; those block hours are a wash. The company recently has been compliant with the Transition agreement in this regard.

Interestingly, after two winters of being on reserve January and February this year I've had lines. I suspect we'll actually need to have some recalls come West by this summer unless something changes.

We need to unify to get a Joint Contract asap. Until we do the West will continue to stagnate and the East will continue to languish under a consessionary contract.
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The West are flying some East routes? I think I saw PDX to PHL 4 days a week on an allnighter. Can you throw in some other examples? The East side flies a lot of LAS flights now that they did not before(MIA, FLL etc), plus a lot of California flights through PHX and a MSP flight from PHX. Just curious.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
It is all about the East coast whiners. Doug is playing right along with them. Let me ask, again. Are you saying there has been NO retirements or increased flying west? The West went from hiring to NO growth for 2 years. All growth WEST, would have been to/for the East recalls. Which to me is nothing but a WINDFALL EAST.
Lets me say that again....this whole merger mess has been a HUGE WINDFALL for the EAST.
 
East flying....West flying... I saw 9 flights a day by the East to PHX. In addition, many flights outbound from PHX to numerous destinations by the EAST. This month 1 flight SAN-PHL and a PHL-BOS flight and I believe a PDX-PHL . WOW. But thanks following the agreement. Windfall EAST.
 
OK....whatever. How about you guys take back all these Mesa CRJ900's flying our stuff in CLT. You're the powerhouse ALPA unit that allowed those aircraft in the first place.

You guys have so much more opportunity for a global airline career than you did. How many wide bodies did you have? Windfall WEST.
 
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OK....whatever. How about you guys take back all these Mesa CRJ900's flying our stuff in CLT. You're the powerhouse ALPA unit that allowed those aircraft in the first place.

You guys have so much more opportunity for a global airline career than you did. How many wide bodies did you have? Windfall WEST.
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OK MR WE HAD 9 WIDEBODIES for the global universe.....

That is why WE kept the EMB190's in house ....so you could come back.

You are welcome.
 
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BeCareful! said:
OK....whatever. How about you guys take back all these Mesa CRJ900's flying our stuff in CLT. You're the powerhouse ALPA unit that allowed those aircraft in the first place.
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compared to the USAir MEC which was going to allow outsourcing on the E-190. It was the AWA MEC that put the stops to that if I remember correctly.
 
USAir has more then 9 widebodys. 767 and A 330 I believe.
 
Itsallsogood said:
OK MR WE HAD 9 WIDEBODIES for the global universe.....

That is why WE kept the EMB190's in house ....so you could come back.

You are welcome.
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Welcome for what? You guys sold out on the 90 seaters long before we did! We were pressured to do it only because you had. Have you been paying attention?

SO....OK MR. I DON'T EVEN KNOW A 767 IS A WIDE BODY AIRCRAFT, are you done painting your ALPA group as a big tough powerhouse? Your working conditions have been the goal of U management since the Just Call Me Dave era. Not a month went by that he didn't tell us how he longed for an AWA style agreement.
 
michael707767 said:
compared to the USAir MEC which was going to allow outsourcing on the E-190. It was the AWA MEC that put the stops to that if I remember correctly.
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And the USAir EAST MEC f@##$$%% that up too. The (bad) thing now is that the EAST, left Millions on the table for Doug.

Let the West have ALL the 190's. Open seats at the higher contract. FO's coming back would sit in a West seat... Higher money..... But NO the East $##$%% 'ed that up too.
 
and Yes, Dave should be higher on the list than you . His (our) company bailed your sorry ass out, and gave you an opportunity to have a job to come back to. So do not ever slam Dave.
 
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Itsallsogood, you have the same attitude as to why American Airlines furloughed TWA Captains and kept their new hires. TWA Alpa pilots got hosed by AMR and I just hope it does not happen to USAir pilots.

MARTY
 

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