More Comair news or just incorrect news?

[737 Pylt]

Well except for a few idiots on this board, the majority of pilots at Skywest don't want your airplanes either. But we have no control over where the airplanes go.

But I bet if they showed up on your doorstep you'd have no problem flying them, right?imp:

737

 

[cfd130]

As previously stated, Delta can do what it wants. However, the original number escapes me (60 or so?) but I don't think anywhere near 131 Comair CRJs are in danger (IMHO, none of them are.) Imagine Skywest getting an additional 131 aircraft, i.e., 1300 more new hires on top of what they need already. Seems kind of silly when you think of it like that, huh?

(my crystal ball, and about 5 common sense reasons, say that the tide at comair is about to change)

So what does your senses (and crystal ball point to) ?
Just curious

 

[rtmcfi]

But I bet if they showed up on your doorstep you'd have no problem flying them, right?imp:

737

What would you do?

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

Interesting how you fail to include ASA in your list, when they are the ones who've taken the majority of the Comair airplanes.

Are you suggesting a double standard? If so, you are correct. I do not have a problem with ASA getting our airplanes because they do their best to raise the standard of the professional airline pilot's career. ASA has been fighting for a better contract for many years now and the Comair pilot group fights with them. The pilots at Comair are doing everything we can to keep the contract we have from being gutted by a bankruptcy judge and ASA pilots have been helping us with that fight. What have the pilots at Skywest fought for?

 

[SSDD]

Well, good then. As long as you're happy to give your airplanes and jobs to ASA, I don't have a problem with it either...'cause they're helping you.

 

[pdub20s]

so what do you guys think will happen to Comair as a company in the long run??

 

[737 Pylt]

What would you do?

Consult my union.....Oh wait, skyw doesn't have a union....Fly them or you're fired!

737

 

[chperplt]

Consult my union.....Oh wait, skyw doesn't have a union....Fly them or you're fired!

737

 

[acarpe3448]

How could we cave? Comair management is trying to impose paycuts through the bankruptcy court and on top of that they are working on an injunction to block a strike. No caving in here.

I just hope we get to strike. Even if we do liquidate I would love to put our managers out of a job. I bet I could find a new job quicker than they can.

I hope you get toi strike also! I can't wait for that $hit hole to shut down! You do not have to worry about this anyways, Delta is done with Comair! Your pilots suck, you have a recent crash, you cost Delta hundreds of millions with that strike, your service sucks. Any one of those could be worked out, but all together Comair is one crap hole NO ONE wants to buy!!!! Pack your bags Comair clowns the end is near!

 

[SSDD]

Consult my union.....Oh wait, skyw doesn't have a union....Fly them or you're fired!

737

And what would your union tell you? There are no furloughs, there is no strike, there is no struck work, you're not crossing a picket line. You don't have to like it, just like a lot of us don't like it, but there isn't much you can do about, with or without a union.

 

[Speedtape]

And what would your union tell you? There are no furloughs, there is no strike, there is no struck work, you're not crossing a picket line. You don't have to like it, just like a lot of us don't like it, but there isn't much you can do about, with or without a union.

We'll see!

 

[737 Pylt]

And what would your union tell you?

That's why I would consult them. That's why we pay dues.

There are no furloughs, there is no strike, there is no struck work, you're not crossing a picket line. You don't have to like it, just like a lot of us don't like it, but there isn't much you can do about, with or without a union.

Keep drinking the kool aid!

737

 

[Hovernut]

I hope you get toi strike also! I can't wait for that $hit hole to shut down! You do not have to worry about this anyways, Delta is done with Comair! Your pilots suck, you have a recent crash, you cost Delta hundreds of millions with that strike, your service sucks. Any one of those could be worked out, but all together Comair is one crap hole NO ONE wants to buy!!!! Pack your bags Comair clowns the end is near!

Don't dance on my friends' graves, a$$hole! You're way off base here with your opinions, dear ALPA brother, if in fact you do fly for an ALPA carrier. CA Prater just gave us a go-get-em speech last Friday and we plan on following through and holding the line. I suppose we won't count on your pitiful support, though.

Costed DAL "hundreds of millions?" Way to go playing management turncoat. Had they approved our fair and equitable contract, they'd have made out like bandits. But your "airline w/o a pilot" decided to spend a dollar to save a dime and stare us down. Well, as CA Prater so eloquently stated in his speech to us, "we were here one day longer than management!"

I'm glad you're in the minority of your pilot group, lest this industry take a dump due to attitudes/grudges/misconceptions such as yours. And don't ever gloat of one's loss of a hull and lives again. Therefore by the grace of God go you!

 

[paid4training]

Okay I am not an economics major and did not go to any private college or anything but wouldn't the price of some of these RFP bids HAVE to increase if the pilot groups ie. union flying, require more pay and better work rules? For example, if Mesa Pilot group told their management that they are not going to work for less than a certain amount that included certain work rules (not "camping out" on an airplane). Raised the bar as far as pay and beanies, wouldn't the airline management HAVE to charge more for block hour etc. to turn a some kind of profit, the trickle up effect? What about a regional national union? Discuss?

Just a question...and my .02....

And yes that first sentence is kindda written like my state college background...its late and a really good Skinamax flick is on....

 

[pdub20s]

I hope you get toi strike also! I can't wait for that $hit hole to shut down! You do not have to worry about this anyways, Delta is done with Comair! Your pilots suck, you have a recent crash, you cost Delta hundreds of millions with that strike, your service sucks. Any one of those could be worked out, but all together Comair is one crap hole NO ONE wants to buy!!!! Pack your bags Comair clowns the end is near!

what ran up your A$$?

 

[jstap1]

What?? That is almost the entire fleet. Oh well, at least when I lower the bar by going to Skywest the Delta boys will be more willing to hire me.[/quote]


This is the last I heard a from a guy hired this month by Delta. Take it or leave it. His interview group had 5 from ASA 2 Chq and 1 military. 4 from ASA and 2 from CHQ hired. If you are looking to end up at Delta Skywest is one of the last places you want to be.

 

[V-1]

I hope you get toi strike also! I can't wait for that $hit hole to shut down! You do not have to worry about this anyways, Delta is done with Comair! Your pilots suck, you have a recent crash, you cost Delta hundreds of millions with that strike, your service sucks. Any one of those could be worked out, but all together Comair is one crap hole NO ONE wants to buy!!!! Pack your bags Comair clowns the end is near!

There are a number of Comair pilots who wouldn't mind Comair be put out of it's misery.

 

[Flyer1015]

For example, if Mesa Pilot group told their management that they are not going to work for less than a certain amount that included certain work rules (not "camping out" on an airplane). Raised the bar as far as pay and beanies, wouldn't the airline management HAVE to charge more for block hour etc. to turn a some kind of profit, the trickle up effect? What about a regional national union? Discuss?

No, Mesa pilots are bound by their collective bargaining agreement (CBA). That agreement becomes ammendable in March 2007 (I believe). A CBA doesn't technically expire. For example, Pinnacle pilots contract became ammendable in 2005, while ASA pilots waaaay back in 2002. They continue under their same CBA while the union negotiates with management to work out a new CBA.

Management doesn't "HAVE" to do something, in the sense that they are still bound by the current ammenndable CBA. Pinnacle management is stalling negotiations, no doubt benefiting from the low cost (lower paid) pilots compared to other CRJ operators.


Mesa will have it especially worse, because the anti-Christ has said he will move CRJs to China as a negotiation tactic to try to get pilots to cave in. I expect nothing less than a several year drawn-out fight (and possibly a strike).

 

[wmuflyguy]

I hope you get toi strike also! I can't wait for that $hit hole to shut down! You do not have to worry about this anyways, Delta is done with Comair! Your pilots suck, you have a recent crash, you cost Delta hundreds of millions with that strike, your service sucks. Any one of those could be worked out, but all together Comair is one crap hole NO ONE wants to buy!!!! Pack your bags Comair clowns the end is near!

This guy is the biggest idiot on the planet.

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

What?? That is almost the entire fleet. Oh well, at least when I lower the bar by going to Skywest the Delta boys will be more willing to hire me.

This is the last I heard a from a guy hired this month by Delta. Take it or leave it. His interview group had 5 from ASA 2 Chq and 1 military. 4 from ASA and 2 from CHQ hired. If you are looking to end up at Delta Skywest is one of the last places you want to be.[/quote]

I stated this because Delta pilots will do everything within their power to keep Delta from hiring Comair pilots.

For example, acarpe3448 loves Comair and we love him.

 

[MarineGrunt]

However, if all Comair planes go to Skywest as the SLC paper suggests, we will consider Skywest pilots not scabs but definitely scum (the 700+ upgrades and 700+ newhires that would result from this transfer). I know everyone says "I'm just a pilot", I can't control what the company does as policy. But eventually we're just going to have to learn to say no.

They were given to Skywest, who transferred some to ASA after moving many of their airplanes previously. ASA like Comair has no control over where their airplanes go. And the general sentiment I've heard among ASA guys is they're not happy about flying Comair airplanes but they have their hands tie thanks to this Skywest/Delta game.

So the SkyWest pilots are scum, because we can say "no," but the ASA guys would be ok since they are under the clutches of the evil SkyWest empire, correct? I don't know of a single person at SkyWest that wants to see any other pilot group lose their flying (with the possible exception of GoJet....).

 

[SSDD]

That's why I would consult them. That's why we pay dues.



Keep drinking the kool aid!

737

I ask a serious question and state some facts(as of right now) and you answer with smoke.

If for example, NW had a fire sale and DL bought some of those planes, what legal reason would you have not to fly them. It has happened in the past with Pan Am and Eastern.

 

[Soverytired]

So what does your senses (and crystal ball point to) ?
Just curious

Rumors at Mesa are that now that the hostile takeover bid from USAir has been beaten back, Mesa can expect to be awarded "up to" 30 CRJ's for Delta, probably in the CRJ-705 variant, and flown out of Cincinnati.

I sincerely hope this is not true, and am really hoping the Comair guys can find a way to get released for the big S.

 

[scott hall]

rfp???

My fellow pilots, the RFP process is the way by which we have made unions an anachronistic relic of times past. The sooner ALPA understands this and stops clinging to their outrageuos proposals, the sooner we can acquire larger equipment and fly it at more cost effective regional rates.

 

[agonyairfo]

Why does everyone think Comair is going away?

Don't confuse low morale, threats of doom, or high attrition with where we are headed. 2 1/2 of those 3 problems would be solved instantly with a growth announcement. If you want to talk about something sucking, talk about the whole regional industry right now. Yeah, my morale as a regional pilot is low now, but I am only disappointed that Comair has become just another regional.

 

[pdub20s]

Why does everyone think Comair is going away?

Don't confuse low morale, threats of doom, or high attrition with where we are headed. 2 1/2 of those 3 problems would be solved instantly with a growth announcement. If you want to talk about something sucking, talk about the whole regional industry right now. Yeah, my morale as a regional pilot is low now, but I am only disappointed that Comair has become just another regional.

so you doubt there wil be any furloughs or closing of doors?

 

[wmuflyguy]

so you doubt there wil be any furloughs or closing of doors?

Directly quoted from the March bid packet.

"Newhire and Upgrade classes will continue at the same rate indefinately"

It shows 12 newhires a week through Jan and Feb.

 

[pdub20s]

Directly quoted from the March bid packet.

"Newhire and Upgrade classes will continue at the same rate indefinately"

It shows 12 newhires a week through Jan and Feb.

in other words..."who knows???"

 

[acarpe3448]

what ran up your A$$?

Comair Pilots!

 

[acarpe3448]

This guy is the biggest idiot on the planet.

No, that title would go to all of the Comair pilots that supported and funded the now failed RJDC!