More Comair news or just incorrect news?

[JonnyKnoxville]

Comair maybe awarded to SkyWest or just incorrect news?

http://origin.sltrib.com/ci_5152069

This month, Delta will shift the flying of 12 Canadair regional jets to SkyWest, The company also is waiting to hear whether Delta will award it another 131 Comair jets.

What?? That is almost the entire fleet. Oh well, at least when I lower the bar by going to Skywest the Delta boys will be more willing to hire me.

 

[V-1]

Delta will do as they (and their creditors) please with the assets they control.

 

[SiuDude]

According to this webcast, a decision on the RFP is expected to be announced "in the next couple of weeks."

http://www.wsw.com/webcast/rj25/forum2/

 

[pdub20s]

According to this webcast, a decision on the RFP is expected to be announced "in the next couple of weeks."

http://www.wsw.com/webcast/rj25/forum2/

rfp???

 

[agonyairfo]

As previously stated, Delta can do what it wants. However, the original number escapes me (60 or so?) but I don't think anywhere near 131 Comair CRJs are in danger (IMHO, none of them are.) Imagine Skywest getting an additional 131 aircraft, i.e., 1300 more new hires on top of what they need already. Seems kind of silly when you think of it like that, huh?

(my crystal ball, and about 5 common sense reasons, say that the tide at comair is about to change)

 

[pdub20s]

As previously stated, Delta can do what it wants. However, the original number escapes me (60 or so?) but I don't think anywhere near 131 Comair CRJs are in danger (IMHO, none of them are.) Imagine Skywest getting an additional 131 aircraft, i.e., 1300 more new hires on top of what they need already. Seems kind of silly when you think of it like that, huh?

(my crystal ball, and about 5 common sense reasons, say that the tide at comair is about to change)

furloughs??

 

[Flyer1015]

rfp???

Request for Proposal.


Basically one tool (among many) in management's dirty bag of tricks to pit pilot groups against one another to compete for flying by accepting concessions, a substandard contract, etc.

 

[pdub20s]

Request for Proposal.


Basically one tool (among many) in management's dirty bag of tricks to pit pilot groups against one another to compete for flying by accepting concessions, a substandard contract, etc.

damn...why they do ******************** like that? there has got to be other avenues

 

[eaglefly]

As previously stated, Delta can do what it wants. However, the original number escapes me (60 or so?) but I don't think anywhere near 131 Comair CRJs are in danger (IMHO, none of them are.) Imagine Skywest getting an additional 131 aircraft, i.e., 1300 more new hires on top of what they need already. Seems kind of silly when you think of it like that, huh?

(my crystal ball, and about 5 common sense reasons, say that the tide at comair is about to change)

Great intimidation tactic though.

Wonder if Comair/ALPA will cave ?

 

[Flyer1015]

dang...why they do ******************** like that? there has got to be other avenues

Because it's airline management, the WORST of any management.


Pilots, to them, are nothing but warm bodies required by the FAA. Don't listen to their crap about how "our employees are most important, we highly respect them, blah blah blah" during a quarterly conference call. That's just to look good in front of the media. They would sell you and your mother if they could just to line their pockets.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Delta needs exit financing; SkyWest has cash.

 

[Flyer1015]

Delta needs exit financing; SkyWest has cash.

Thought they already got various banks to obtain $2.5 billion in exit financing?

 

[blueridge71]

Yeah, and Skywest really needs another hundred or so RJs and thousands of P.O.'d pilots.

 

[pdub20s]

pissed of comair pilots

 

[agonyairfo]

Why would Delta give 131 50 seat crjs to anyone?
They would more likely park them in the desert for good.

Unfortunately, the disparity in pilot compensation is going to be about nil shortly. (The other economics you can argue all day.) Assuming they were similar, explain the benefit to sending such quantities of aircraft away? I don't doubt the threat is good for union busting, but it definetly isn't "the plan" and won't be acted on long term.

Here is my question on sort of a different topic. Does an RFP mean anything? Is it binding at all?

 

[blueridge71]

It's just a Request for a Proposal. It's an invitation for bids. It isn't binding unless they accept the bid.

 

[agonyairfo]

I mean, when they announce the bid/RFP, is that legally binding? I have to think that they have some more paperwork/contracts/signing/lawyering to do to make the various a/c allotments official. Like maybe the RFP annoucement is just a "letter of intent."

I guess what I am getting at is, isn't the RFP just a threat on a piece of paper?

 

[wmuflyguy]

http://origin.sltrib.com/ci_5152069

This month, Delta will shift the flying of 12 Canadair regional jets to SkyWest, The company also is waiting to hear whether Delta will award it another 131 Comair jets.

What?? That is almost the entire fleet. Oh well, at least when I lower the bar by going to Skywest the Delta boys will be more willing to hire me.

This is talking about the 12 planes announced in December. They were slated for Transfer in Feb. There is sw plane parked at gate 70 in cvg right now.

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

Great intimidation tactic though.

Wonder if Comair/ALPA will cave ?

How could we cave? Comair management is trying to impose paycuts through the bankruptcy court and on top of that they are working on an injunction to block a strike. No caving in here.

I just hope we get to strike. Even if we do liquidate I would love to put our managers out of a job. I bet I could find a new job quicker than they can.

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

This is talking about the 12 planes announced in December. They were slated for Transfer in Feb. There is sw plane parked at gate 70 in cvg right now.

Did you read the part about 131 Comair jets? That seems like a few more than 12 seventy-seaters.

 

[wrigley23]

The Comair MEC defined any flying done by a Delta Connection carrier after Feb 2nd that was previously flown by Comair will be considered "struck work". This was obviously assuming the judge ruled for the company's imposed rules, allowed a strike and there was actually a strike last week. Of course this has not happened, yet. Delta can transfer all of Comair's flying away and really it can't be considered struck work unless there was a Comair strike. However, if all Comair planes go to Skywest as the SLC paper suggests, we will consider Skywest pilots not scabs but definitely scum (the 700+ upgrades and 700+ newhires that would result from this transfer). I know everyone says "I'm just a pilot", I can't control what the company does as policy. But eventually we're just going to have to learn to say no.

When 10 or so planes are transfered here and 1000 hours are transfered there, that's just reality for the legacy carriers these days, but when several airlines (Skywest, Mesa, Chautauqua) are willing to essentially help shutdown a company that was once the best in the regional business, it's pathetic and you should be ashamed to work there.

That's my rant for now. Cheers.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Did you read the part about 131 Comair jets? That seems like a few more than 12 seventy-seaters.

Yea, Did you read "waiting to here"? Only the 12 jets are official.

The RFP wasn't all Comair either, it had some Mesa, some Shuttle America, and some CHQ also. All that proves is the author doesn't know what he is talking about

 

[standaman]

Did you read the part about 131 Comair jets? That seems like a few more than 12 seventy-seaters.

We don't have 131 jets in our fleet right now. Here is how they got that number 131. Go to this link.

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10331

43 70 seaters
50 50 seaters
50 76 seaters

equals 143 total aircraft

If you subtract 12 Comair 70 seaters we lost.

equals 131

They are referring to balance of aircraft in the RFP.

 

[pdub20s]

The Comair MEC defined any flying done by a Delta Connection carrier after Feb 2nd that was previously flown by Comair will be considered "struck work". This was obviously assuming the judge ruled for the company's imposed rules, allowed a strike and there was actually a strike last week. Of course this has not happened, yet. Delta can transfer all of Comair's flying away and really it can't be considered struck work unless there was a Comair strike. However, if all Comair planes go to Skywest as the SLC paper suggests, we will consider Skywest pilots not scabs but definitely scum (the 700+ upgrades and 700+ newhires that would result from this transfer). I know everyone says "I'm just a pilot", I can't control what the company does as policy. But eventually we're just going to have to learn to say no.

When 10 or so planes are transfered here and 1000 hours are transfered there, that's just reality for the legacy carriers these days, but when several airlines (Skywest, Mesa, Chautauqua) are willing to essentially help shutdown a company that was once the best in the regional business, it's pathetic and you should be ashamed to work there.

That's my rant for now. Cheers.

makes sense

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

We don't have 131 jets in our fleet right now. Here is how they got that number 131. Go to this link.

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10331

43 70 seaters
50 50 seaters
50 76 seaters

equals 143 total aircraft

If you subtract 12 Comair 70 seaters we lost.

equals 131

They are referring to balance of aircraft in the RFP.

Thanks Scott...That makes perfect sense.

Good job.

Now all that is left to do is for me to write the Salt Lake paper and tell everyone that I am sleeping with the authors wife. Seems to be par for the course since articles don't have to be acurate.

 

[SSDD]

The Comair MEC defined any flying done by a Delta Connection carrier after Feb 2nd that was previously flown by Comair will be considered "struck work". This was obviously assuming the judge ruled for the company's imposed rules, allowed a strike and there was actually a strike last week. Of course this has not happened, yet. Delta can transfer all of Comair's flying away and really it can't be considered struck work unless there was a Comair strike. However, if all Comair planes go to Skywest as the SLC paper suggests, we will consider Skywest pilots not scabs but definitely scum (the 700+ upgrades and 700+ newhires that would result from this transfer). I know everyone says "I'm just a pilot", I can't control what the company does as policy. But eventually we're just going to have to learn to say no.

When 10 or so planes are transfered here and 1000 hours are transfered there, that's just reality for the legacy carriers these days, but when several airlines (Skywest, Mesa, Chautauqua) are willing to essentially help shutdown a company that was once the best in the regional business, it's pathetic and you should be ashamed to work there.

That's my rant for now. Cheers.

Interesting how you fail to include ASA in your list, when they are the ones who've taken the majority of the Comair airplanes.

 

[wrigley23]

Interesting how you fail to include ASA in your list, when they are the ones who've taken the majority of the Comair airplanes.

They were given to Skywest, who transferred some to ASA after moving many of their airplanes previously. ASA like Comair has no control over where their airplanes go. And the general sentiment I've heard among ASA guys is they're not happy about flying Comair airplanes but they have their hands tie thanks to this Skywest/Delta game.

 

[SSDD]

Well except for a few idiots on this board, the majority of pilots at Skywest don't want your airplanes either. But we have no control over where the airplanes go.

 

[agonyairfo]

Why is anyone talking about Comair caving? Besides the previously mentioned fact that a contract may be imposed and a judge might bar a strike might not even leave us any choices. That is not caving.

My additional point is this. Why worry about us caving. Are you afraid your contract will suffer indirectly? Don't look up at Comair for your future troubles, look down at who is taking your flying! I know we have this mentality of pattern bargaining, but it isn't really working in the regional industry right now. It is more like we need pattern bargaining in reverse. We all need to focus squarely on the cheapest carrier and pressure them to raise their contract because that is where our flying is going. They are our "competition" in this bidding war.

I know, easier said than done. I just don't understand when a guy at the #3 paying DCI carrier beats up on the #2 paid DCI pilot for taking a cut. Not saying that it is inconsequencial, but it isn't the real problem. The real problem is the last place DCI guy running away with it all.

Not flaming or saying that anyone "wants" to take our flying. But that is what happens whether you want to realise it or not. When management says, your pay is or is not "competitive", this is your clue that you are competing with some other faceless pilot with mouths to feed.

 

[FDJ2]

http://origin.sltrib.com/ci_5152069

This month, Delta will shift the flying of 12 Canadair regional jets to SkyWest, The company also is waiting to hear whether Delta will award it another 131 Comair jets.

Probably a negotiating tactic. There is no logistical way to transfer 131 aircraft over night. That's not to say that CMR isn't going to feel a little more pain, but it won't be 131 aircraft. Perhaps overtime CMR will shrink to the size it was before DAL purchased them, but it will take more than just one more RFP. JMHO.