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shamrock said:
So for all you FO's out there, if you were in this situation would you switch seats?
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No.

It's not a matter of whether or not I think I'd be able to pull off a safe landing from the left seat, rather that I would be more capable from the right seat.

If you wanted to taxi all the way to the gate, why not just switch seats once on the ground?
 
Screw the TSA
 
shamrock said:
So for all you FO's out there, if you were in this situation would you switch seats?

I'm not trying to start any arguments or insinuate anything about the FO/Captain/surviving pilot's choices, I'm just saying that until read this article I don't think switching seats would've crossed my mind. I know I'd feel much more comfortable flying and landing from the right seat since I do it every day, and other than not having access to the tiller I think I could get everything done from there as well. Obviously I've never flown a 757 so I can only go on my own experiences, maybe a 757 guy can weigh in on the subject.

Again, I think this guy did a fine job getting the plane on the ground and I'm not passing judgement on him at all, I'm just curious about the idea of switching seats.
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As an EXTREMELY experienced FO (not on the 75), I can say that as long as there is a jack for my Ipod on the left seat...I wouldn't mind switching seats with Brown! I would put ACDC "Hell's Bells" on in that Motha Fukin cockpit...and land the big girl!! Done it so many times on FS2004...
 
Motive Flow said:
I think the "FO" was actually a Check Airman doing OE with an upgrading Captain.
If this happens to a regular FO, I imagine the best thing to do is just stop on the runway and get the medics onboard.
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I can imagine a lot of cases where it would be faster to taxi to the gate than to stop on the runway and wait for someone to bring portable stairs out to the aircraft (no airstairs on a 75).
 
bizzum said:
Why not use all available resources in an emergency situation? I do not see how using a private pilot to help out would be a bad thing, I am sure he understood how to lower gear, talk on the radio, and had a basic understanding of how to read a checklist, plus just having someone there in a stressful situation would help calm the nerves a little.
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I agree with you all the way!
 
bizzum said:
and if you really want to throw up in your mouth a little, go over to a.net and read what those "experts" have to say about this.....
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Link please.
 
"There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"
 
Does anyone on board own any version of Flight Simulator? If so, would you please let the flight attendant know as soon as possible.
 
"You ever been in a 757 cockpit before?"

"No sir, I've never been up in a 757 before."

"You ever seen a grown man naked?"
 
shamrock said:
So for all you FO's out there, if you were in this situation would you switch seats?

As mentioned above, how would he steer the plane on the ground? If in doubt as to his comfort level he could have just let it auto land. If he didn't like what he saw as he came in he could just go around. The airplane was not broke only the Captain was broken. I think that the FO did a fantastic job and I am glad that there are pilots like him out there when my family is on board. Some of the questioning of his actions show that some people just don't have much experience or skills of their own. I hope that ALPA awards an air safety medal to them.
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"I know but this guy has no flying experience at all. He's a menace to himself and everything else in the air... yes, birds too."
 
G2T said:
I am familiar with CRM and believe in it, and it would be nice to have someone that could talk on the radio, sling gear and flaps, and help look for traffic. I'm just asking if you would invite a private pilot into your cockpit to help in a scenario that you could handle solo. I'm not questioning judgement of this pilot, just wanted some opinions.
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If I was in that scenario, you're darn tootn' I'd do the same thing. And if there wasn't a private pilot aboard, I'd bring up a flight attendant (if she wasn't a ditz)and tell her to pay attention and read the frikin checklists. Or any able bodied passenger, really.
 
I would not have switched seats (I am not CA qualified like that guy was). I would have landed the aircraft and stopped on the runway. Emergency vehicles can meet us out there.


bizzum said:
and if you really want to throw up in your mouth a little, go over to a.net and read what those "experts" have to say about this.....
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Out of morbid curiosity, I had a looksee. I forgot why I stopped reading that forum when I was 15.
 
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I always fear this flying into Daytona Beach...

Both pilots being incapacitated and 30 of my fellow Riddle Rats fighting over who gets to fly while the plane crashes. :(
 
Didnt it say he had 28 years experience? Even American Eagle doesnt have FOs that long with the company. Good job by the pilot though. Talk about non standard. I guy with a PPL upgrades to major airline FO.... I guess E. Riddle will be out of business. They just found the answer to this upcoming pilot shortage in near future. Any flights that have registered pilots, student pilots, MSFS enthusiasts, hell even someone who can hold their arms out and make plane noises can just dispatch with one company pilot and take a passenger up front. Sounds like pay scales are really going to hit bottom now that this info is out.
 
bizzum said:
and if you really want to throw up in your mouth a little, go over to a.net and read what those "experts" have to say about this.....
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Yeah, they address articles like this and every other piece of aviation info, ad nauseum. Who's better...AIRBUS or BOEING??? WHO GIVES A $HIT!!!
It must be a dream to fly this airplane or that airplane...IT'S NOT!!!

Dorks...
 
CoolSidePillow said:
Didnt it say he had 28 years experience? Even American Eagle doesnt have FOs that long with the company. Good job by the pilot though. Talk about non standard. I guy with a PPL upgrades to major airline FO.... I guess E. Riddle will be out of business. They just found the answer to this upcoming pilot shortage in near future. Any flights that have registered pilots, student pilots, MSFS enthusiasts, hell even someone who can hold their arms out and make plane noises can just dispatch with one company pilot and take a passenger up front. Sounds like pay scales are really going to hit bottom now that this info is out.
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for the twety millionth time...yes he had 28 years experience that's why he was an IOE CAPTAIN...CHECK AIRMAN. not a LINE F/O.
 
Soverytired said:
If I was in that scenario, you're darn tootn' I'd do the same thing. And if there wasn't a private pilot aboard, I'd bring up a flight attendant (if she wasn't a ditz)and tell her to pay attention and read the frikin checklists. Or any able bodied passenger, really.
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I actually had a conversation about this with my crew when I was a an FA and a pilot at the same time. The FA(s) are required to be at their stations during taxi, takeoff and landing. It is an FAR - 121.391 I think.

I would want the FAs in the cabin in case the medical emergency turns into a aircraft emergency for any reason, especially on a single FA aircraft.

As much as I would have wanted to help up front - I knew where I had to be.
 
First Jive Dude: Sh!t man, that honky mus' be messin' my old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head. You know?
Second Jive Dude: Hey home, I can dig it. You know he ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you man.
First Jive Dude: I say hey sky, s'other s'ay I wan say?
Second Jive Dude: UH...
First Jive Dude: Pray to J I get the same ol' same ol'.
Second Jive Dude: Eh. Yo knock yourself a pro slick, gray matter live performas down now take TCB'in man.
First Jive Dude: Hey, you know what they say... See a broad, to get that booty yak 'em.
First Jive Dude, Second Jive Dude: Leg 'er down 'n smack 'em yak 'em
First Jive Dude: Cold got to be. You know? Shiiiiit.
 
That was one said already, Walter, you're out of your element.
 
CAL Flight 123 now arriving Gate 1.......Gate 2.......Gate 3......Gate 4.....
 

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