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I missed where it said he was over 60.

The only positive reinforcement is for having experienced and qualified people in each seat for just such an occurance.

Hat's off to the First Officer and let's raise a toast to our friend flying west.
 
haulingthemail said:
positive reinforcement for age 60
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What about the 35 year old overweight, out of shape pilots I've seen who look like they've never exercised a day in their lives. I've seen some who looked ready to collapse after the walk-around.

Age is by no means the controlling factor in health and fitness both mental and physical.
 
AKAAB said:
I missed where it said he was over 60.

The only positive reinforcement is for having experienced and qualified people in each seat for just such an occurance.

Hat's off to the First Officer and let's raise a toast to our friend flying west.
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Yeah I didn't see that either however if he were over sixty he wouldn't have been flying, right?:rolleyes:

WD.
 
AKAAB said:
I missed where it said he was over 60.

The only positive reinforcement is for having experienced and qualified people in each seat for just such an occurance.

Hat's off to the First Officer and let's raise a toast to our friend flying west.
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I think he meant: upgrade as soon as possible, because you may not know if you will make it to 65, much less 60.
 
Factual or not, there is a perception of flying over 60 as riskier than not. People are likely to listen to what the media tells them and not check the facts on their own. This has nothing to do with being "classy".
 
Why dont you guys take the age 60 argument to a different thread. We just lost a fellow aviator....show some respect.

dk
 
Mod Input: To quote the CNN article. "The pilot's name was not released." Let's please keep it that way. That means no crew pairings, no names, etc. In respect for the families. RIP
 
Typical

I knew before I even signed on that someone would try to use this single incident as "proof" that we should not change age 60.
May our fellow pilot rest in peace.
 
Being that this is a stressful occupation, does anyone know what the average age of death is of a career pilot?

Anyone have figures and whether it varies much from part 91, 135 or 121?
 
jetstream said:
What about the 35 year old overweight, out of shape pilots I've seen who look like they've never exercised a day in their lives. I've seen some who looked ready to collapse after the walk-around.

Age is by no means the controlling factor in health and fitness both mental and physical.
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You're wrong....those 35 year old fatties will be in even worse shape when they're 60...worse still at 65 (if they make it that far).
 
The Capt was getting checked out on the 757 by a Check Airman, who made the landing - according to my CAL buddy.
 
My apologies for posting INFORMATION on an INFORMATION board :rolleyes:
 
v1cutt, u are correct it was a captain upgrade that was getting checked out as a captain. the captain that was doing the ioe was from the training dept is what i had heard that had a massive heart attack. 58 years old.
 
1st Overnite said:
Prayers go out to the family.

Wouldn't a bad heart show up on an EKG during a medical?
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No, not necessarily.

First off, an EKG is only once a year, and while the undrlying problem was there, it would not always manifest itself in a routine EKG.

The problem COULD have likely been seen on Stess Test, but we don't do those for a First Class Medical.

Naturally, this underscores the need for a routine "real" physical each year.

Remember folks, a First Class Medical is a government requirement. It's meant to meet the MINIMUM standard. Nothing more, nothing less.

And anyone who walks away with a new piece of paper every 6 or 12 months thinking they are fit are just kidding themselves.
 
1st Overnite said:
Prayers go out to the family.

Wouldn't a bad heart show up on an EKG during a medical?
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Not necessarily. At the overwieght 35 year old may live to 90 and an ironman triathlete may die at 30. There is no practical way to determine whether or not a pilot is really fit to fly. There are some obvious signs that can predict a problem, but to be sure, you would have to go through a battery of tests which wouldn't be practical. The first class medial is the best we've got.
 
Way2Broke said:
Mod Input: To quote the CNN article. "The pilot's name was not released." Let's please keep it that way. That means no crew pairings, no names, etc. In respect for the families. RIP
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His name has now been released and his family members were enroute to IAH soon after it happened. It was an IOE flight from IAH to PVR and the incident did NOT happen on takeoff. It was about 45 minutes into the flight, an emergency was declared, and they landed at McAllen.

He was a good man and a first rate aviator. He had stayed as a widebody FO for so long, in order to spend as much time at home as he could. He leaves behind a wife and two teenage sons.

Life is short, enjoy it while you can.
 
This is just speculation, but I bet those venda-matic cheese burgers we serve in coach that find their way up to cockpit doesn't help things.
 
jetstream said:
What about the 35 year old overweight, out of shape pilots I've seen who look like they've never exercised a day in their lives. I've seen some who looked ready to collapse after the walk-around.

Age is by no means the controlling factor in health and fitness both mental and physical.
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I am 35. I am 5'6" and weigh 265 pounds. I dont even try to keep my shirt tucked in and my pants cuffs are usuailly over my shoe heel to the point that I have worn holes in the cuff. Yes, I do get tired on the walk around. It is the worst at the left wing. Sometimes, after the walk around, I look at the jetway stairs and start to cry. But I tell myself "just one step at a time". I am thankful to the many rampers who have waited patiently behind me, or, in many cases, carried me up the stairs. But get me in the cockpit, let me put on my raybans, and look out baby! I am a swinging aviator! Would you like to shag now or later?

As for the death, I have known many 40-50 year olds in great shape who have died from massive heart attacks with no symptoms. My prayers are out to him and his family.
 
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brainhurts said:
As for the death, I have known many 40-50 year olds in great shape who have died from massive heart attacks with no symptoms. My prayers are out to him and his family.
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Yes. Some of it may be due to clogged pipes (arteries) which in turn cause the heart attack. The heart may be fine but if the pipes get clogged....that it is why cholesterol is a big deal. Cholesteral clogs the arteries (which can also be due to heredity). High blood pressure is another issue as well but this should be called out during the exam. There are tests out there to see if your arteries are clean but it may require you to be out of commission for a few days/weeks.
Sorry for his family and his friends.
 

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