Age 60 legislation is moving fast as of today

[Falconjet]

Ben: Even if I agreed with your assertion that the age 60 change would "only" add 12-16 months to your upgrade, you will still have to work 5 extra years to make 3.3 to 4 years worth of Captain's pay. I wouldn't count on a year and a half delay, I'd predict more like at least 3. With that assumption, you will have to work and extra 5 years to make 2 years worth of Captain's pay.

In either case, you are going to have to work longer to make a partial recovery of your efforts, while the guys who are already Captains will get another 5 years with full Captain's pay.

Meanwhile, the furloughed guys sit out on the sidelines another couple of years.

It might be good for you, it might be great for the senior guys, but it is a knife right in the back for all of our brothers and sisters on furlough.

FJ

 

[Falconjet]

Gup: You chose wisely.

I think it will be very interesting to see how the vote at SW turns out.

FJ

 

[capt. megadeth]

Your colorful language... "creaming in their pants"?

BBB

I knew you'd like that.

 

[FoxHunter]

This is already happening. The over-60 crowd on our DC10 & 727 panels call in sick an average of SEVEN TIMES more than the rest.

I spent a year of hell on DC10 reserve. I'd get short-called at least twice a month - always at midnight for a ~2:30 am duty in, always to wherever it was raining or snowing. Only time I saw Puerto Rico was when there was a hurricane in the vicinity....


I'll say this one more time: there are those who will be captains for 5 more years, and the rest of us will be f/o's for 5 more years, or s/o's, or not employed.....

Yep, and most guys that have no intention of flying past age 60 start burning thir sick bank at age 55. I understand JL has said a large percentage are not available after age 57.:beer: I guess they would prefer to use their sick bank at Captains pay, not S/Os.

 

[Peanut gallery]

104 Rule

Peanut Gallery, what's a 104 rule? I did a search, but no joy. Also, can you reveal your source?
Thanks.


The 104 rule is that the combined age of the two front seat pilots must not exceed 104 years if one crewmember is over 60. I do some legal work on the side and was in a consultation yesterday along with a fellow "expert witness" that spent the last two years working on the age 60 due dilligence for the Feds. He recieved the call yesterday from Washington, it could happen quick.

 

[Andy]

The 104 rule is that the combined age of the two front seat pilots must not exceed 104 years if one crewmember is over 60. I do some legal work on the side and was in a consultation yesterday along with a fellow "expert witness" that spent the last two years working on the age 60 due dilligence for the Feds. He recieved the call yesterday from Washington, it could happen quick.

Nice. Is it April first?

 

[AA767AV8TOR]

This is already happening. The over-60 crowd on our DC10 & 727 panels call in sick an average of SEVEN TIMES more than the rest.

I spent a year of hell on DC10 reserve. I'd get short-called at least twice a month - always at midnight for a ~2:30 am duty in, always to wherever it was raining or snowing. Only time I saw Puerto Rico was when there was a hurricane in the vicinity....


I'll say this one more time: there are those who will be captains for 5 more years, and the rest of us will be f/o's for 5 more years, or s/o's, or not employed.....

Both K-Mart and Huck,

You both have hit the nail on the head. Yesterday our APA President was discussing sick leave (it’s a huge issue currently with our VP of Flight). He showed how sick leave spikes starting at age 58 and continues all the way to 60. American’s management is well aware of this fact. It’s probably the reason they have stayed mostly neutral on the subject since they realized it will happen at all the other carriers so it’s probably a zero sum game for them. There is also data from our old two-stripers that flew into their 70’s. A great majority of them were calling in sick half the month.

What I still have not figured out is why the SWA pilots continue to sell out the profession and themselves to help keep the company’s cost down. You know – pull another one for Herb. Instead of hosing all the younger guys around the industry – why don’t you fix your retirement and health care via negotiation? LUV pilots should be demanding an adequate retirement. I have been told that some LUV pilots are retiring with $2 million plus so why can they not afford their health care? My feeling is a good deal of LUV’s pilots have burnt through their retirement savings and are now ill prepared for their retirement and now have to work another five years to make ends meet.

It’s sad how the arguably healthiest company doesn’t have an adequate retirement program in place after 35 years. This reeks of terrible negotiation on the part of SWAPA and now it has implication for the rest of us in the industry.

Our APA president said he was in contract with SWAPA’s and they are going to soon repoll their membership on the Age 60 issue. SWAPA’s president (I forget his name) says he expects a 60/40 vote in favor of Age 65.

Age 65 really only helps the pilots on the top of the heap. At slow/negative growth airlines such as American, it will spell disaster for the lower majority of the membership/furloughees with an additional 3-5 years of stagnation and/or out in the street. What happens at the next economic downturn and/or terrorist hit. It won’t be pretty.

This process is far from over. Get involved.

AA767AV8TOR

 

[Peanut gallery]

Kids

Nice. Is it April first?

I think you might feel a little foolish when this comes to pass.

 

[Cobra]

I think you might feel a little foolish when this comes to pass.

We're still waiting on this legitimate info/source you claim to have.
Or is this just the flightinfo.com subterfuge as usual?

 

[Peanut gallery]

Source's are only as good as their reputation

The same individual, worked as a consultant to the Feds on ETOPS in the 80's, ATOS in the 90's. If the Feds pay him his rates to listen to what he has to say, I think I will listen too. He did not offer this information I just happened to be there when he took the call from Washington.