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[i'mbatman]

Apparently Republic will be the carrier of choice if someone wants the 170's. Sheesh! So much for competition.

Interestingly on a side note, CHQ operates CMH-LGA on the delta side and the USairways side with a few departures that leave within minutes of each other. CHQ is competing with themselves on those flights! Thats how you make $$$ in the airline industry.

 

[flyer172r]

Interestingly on a side note, CHQ operates CMH-LGA on the delta side and the USairways side with a few departures that leave within minutes of each other. CHQ is competing with themselves on those flights! Thats how you make $$$ in the airline industry.

Considering they're probably getting a fee per departure from both US Air and Delta on that route, they're not really competing against themselves, Delta and USAir are the ones competing. Now, if the merger goes through, that'll be one of the first routes that gets cut.

 

[3blade]

hey where's the guy who was 100% sure that Skywest won the RFP.

 

[Steveair]

Sounds like you've been drinking as much as your CEO. It's a fact that some F9 pilots are concerned about where they'll be in 3 years.

 

[TAWS]

Steveair, why do you care?

The F9 guys are adults, they can look after themselves. All we are is feed!

Are you at SkyWest? Do you think that you would have been a better choice? Don't kid yourself! We are all doing the same thing!

 

[LearLove]

The passangers would ride in a school bus with wings if it costed them less.

ding ding ding we have a winner. a school bus seat would be more comfy too.

 

[BoilerUP]

It's a fact that some F9 pilots are concerned about where they'll be in 3 years.

Hasn't stopped quite a few people at my place of employ to "throw the dice" and go work there...

Who isn't worried about where they'll be in 3 years? 3 years isn't sh!t in the airline industry...

 

[Steveair]

Steveair, why do you care?

The F9 guys are adults, they can look after themselves. All we are is feed!

Are you at SkyWest? Do you think that you would have been a better choice? Don't kid yourself! We are all doing the same thing!

Hey, all I've been saying is that I don't think it's smart for Frontier to operate more expensive airplanes when UA and SWA are taking it to them. Jesus H, I'm sorry I forgot I can't express my opinion to the all-mighty climb2slow and Taws on flight info. I've got nothing against F9 guys and I wish them all well. I just don't think the company made a good move and I really don't see a future for them because I don't think they have a good business model. Apparently you do but I don't go calling you names! Everyone has a right to their opinion.

 

[UND_Sioux]

Would you guys stop and think for a moment. I'm tired of hearing that the 170 is a bad choice due to 3% higher fuel burn. 3% isn't that much. Think of it this way:

Let's just say a flight in a CRJ700 uses 10,000 lbs of fuel on a given flight. That would mean a 170 would use 10,300 lbs. Convert that extra 300 lbs into gallons. It's about 50. I'm not sure what the going rate of fuel is, but for easy math, we will call it $2.00. So we are talking $100 in gas. That's it.

All you need is to get one extra passenger to buy a ticket for every two flights to break even. I think Frontier is betting on the 170 being so much more popular with pax due to the cabin size, overhead bins, and noise level that selling a few extra tickets to guys who previouly didn't want to ride on a CRJ shouldn't be a problem.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Would you guys stop and think for a moment. I'm tired of hearing that the 170 is a bad choice due to 3% higher fuel burn. 3% isn't that much. Think of it this way:

Let's just say a flight in a CRJ700 uses 10,000 lbs of fuel on a given flight. That would mean a 170 would use 10,300 lbs. Convert that extra 300 lbs into gallons. It's about 50. I'm not sure what the going rate of fuel is, but for easy math, we will call it $2.00. So we are talking $100 in gas. That's it.

All you need is to get one extra passenger to buy a ticket for every two flights to break even. I think Frontier is betting on the 170 being so much more popular with pax due to the cabin size, overhead bins, and noise level that selling a few extra tickets to guys who previouly didn't want to ride on a CRJ shouldn't be a problem.

Don't forget about seats. I believe that the E-170 has more seats than the CRJ700. Increased capacity=more revenue when sold. Popularity should play into this as well. If F9 mangment is smart, which I think they are, they will spin off some good publicity about their new "regional" jets cabin size as compared to past. I don't think people will have to pay more for the seats, the added revenue should easily cover the additional cost. Only time will tell, so stop with the sour grapes scenerio....

 

[SkywayFO]

Just thinking outside the box here as well. To get 76 seats on a CL product. I believe you would have to jump up to the 900 or the 705 whatever they call it. An I am sure you are getting close on the cost then, if not more.

 

[TAWS]

The muscle behind RAH is Wexford. Would you agree that we have grown/benefitted, as an airline, since they have come along. They obviously know what they are doing. They are the same guys pulling the strings, behind the scenes at F9 - do you think bad things are going to happen to the F9 guys? I think not.
Wexford is probably going to focus F9 ops in longer routes/carribean/Mexico ops, while we will provide feed and do point to point short stuff. Wexford are very aggressive and have alot of cash available, F9 will do very well in the next few years - I would go there in a heartbeat!

 

[rtmcfi]

Would you guys stop and think for a moment. I'm tired of hearing that the 170 is a bad choice due to 3% higher fuel burn. 3% isn't that much. Think of it this way:

Let's just say a flight in a CRJ700 uses 10,000 lbs of fuel on a given flight. That would mean a 170 would use 10,300 lbs. Convert that extra 300 lbs into gallons. It's about 50. I'm not sure what the going rate of fuel is, but for easy math, we will call it $2.00. So we are talking $100 in gas. That's it.

All you need is to get one extra passenger to buy a ticket for every two flights to break even. I think Frontier is betting on the 170 being so much more popular with pax due to the cabin size, overhead bins, and noise level that selling a few extra tickets to guys who previouly didn't want to ride on a CRJ shouldn't be a problem.

Take your $100 X 5 legs per day = $500
Take your $500 per day per airplane X 17 (number of aircraft) = $8500
Take your daily extra fuel cost of $8500 X 30 days in a month = $255,000
take your monthly extra fuel cost of $255,000 times 12 months = $3,060,000
Take your annual extra fuel cost times 11 years (life of contract) = $33,660,000
Funny how it adds up!

There is really no debating that pax prefer the 170. There is also no debating that most pax are price sensitive. If Frontier can't sell the tickets cheaper than United, they will have a rough go of it.

 

[BoilerUP]

The Frontier 170s will have what, 74-76 seats? The CR7 has 70 seats.

6 more seats worth of revenue will more than offset the marginally higher operating cost.

 

[TAWS]

CR7 = 64 pax (maybe 70, I don't know the config for F9)
Frontier 170 = 76 pax

10 (or 6) more pax > increased fuel burn $

Stop defending the CRJ, it sucks, but if you paid me enough to fly it, of course I would. Remember, we operate the CRJ also, I'm sure we offered it to F9, but they don't want it. Clearly the 170 fits their expansion plans, stop crying about cost and let F9 mngt worry about putting a$$es on seats! They know the #s, we know the #s and they chose based on that.

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

Nice paint!


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[wmudriver]

nice marmot, man!

 

[jackson]

they're taking over the world

when was the last time they lost a bid?

 

[jackson]

taking over the world

These guys will eventually fly for everyone

 

[Speedtape]

These guys will eventually fly for everyone

Their fortunes or lack thereof, will be tied to each and everyone one of those partners.