ALPA and SkyWest

[bmpilot2003]

Latest VARS update said that the numbers of cards required for a secret ballot has been exceeded......So much for the drive being dead.

 

[CFIT]

Thank God!
Lets put it out for a vote, so we can move on.





How long before the next drive comes out?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Thank God!
Lets put it out for a vote, so we can move on.





How long before the next drive comes out?

CFIT... you'll be doing quality committee work before you know it....

Admittedly, there is a bit of satisfaction in knowing you've helped your fellow pilot with resources you would've not have had otherwise and the sincere thanks and respect that comes with it......

 

[FightingIrish]

Latest VARS update said that the numbers of cards required for a secret ballot has been exceeded......So much for the drive being dead.

Only 35% is required to hold a vote. I spoke with one of our ALPA reps. who is working with the Skywest organization committee and he said ALPA wanted 75% before a vote. He didn't sound too convinced that they would reach that goal.

 

[CFIT]

CFIT... you'll be doing quality committee work before you know it....

Admittedly, there is a bit of satisfaction in knowing you've helped your fellow pilot with resources you would've not have had otherwise and the sincere thanks and respect that comes with it......

OH! notice that, small primates extruding from my nether regions, and they appear aerodynamic.


Ya, something like that.....

 

[amcnd]

I would just like the truth.. This is so alpa to do this. If you want SkyWest then start by giving us the facts. How many cards are back. Eveyone you talk to has a different story. This is why most of us left alpa airlines to come to SkyWest! My guess is they have the 35% and are just trying to stir the pot, keep things alive. What ever!!!

 

[PCL_128]

Thank God!
Lets put it out for a vote, so we can move on.

Don't expect a vote until at least the spring time. Probably a little later. The drive is just now kicking into high gear, and ALPA will want to make sure that we reach the entire pilot group and effectively communicate what the union is about before holding a vote.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

OH! notice that, small primates extruding from my nether regions, and they appear aerodynamic.


Ya, something like that.....

Then again... maybe not..... but there is still hope....

 

[SkyNation]

I agree, let's vote on it and move on.

 

[RCA]

It sure looks to me like ALPA is just chasing the growth. What are they telling you guys: vote ALPA in, and soon you will be just like Comair?
On the other hand maybe thats part of managements plan to keep labor down.
I think this is where a quote I once heard may come in handy "fly plane-collect paycheck"
RCA

 

[HelloNewman]

Latest VARS update said that the numbers of cards required for a secret ballot has been exceeded......So much for the drive being dead.

We already knew this. All you need is 35% of the cards to hold a vote. Getting 75% will be an uphill battle. They are grasping at whatever positive news they can get. BTW it took over 3 months just to get around 1/3 of the pilot group. The rate has obviously slowed down at this point.

Thanks for the free hot dog offers guys but I am not willing to sign a card just to get free racoon meat. I will buy my own racoon meat and hamburgers. I belive they have around upper 30s lower 40s of the cards signed. A lot of people signed those cards not knowing what they were doing. In the end the majority of us do not want ALPA here. Even the OC members think this drive needs a hail mary miracle to pass. Thank God you need 50% plus one of ALL eligible voters to vote the union in. I just want to remind everyone if you don't want any union at SkyWest do not vote in the election.

I would also like to ask why aren't we holding an election now? Not holding an election shows me even ALPA is scared it probably won't pass so they want to stir the pot making our lives miserable as long as possible. So lets hear it ALPA supporters why are you gloating that you can legally hold an election? You guys are obviously too scared to actually hold one. I don't want an unconfident organization representing us. You either believe we want it or you don't. I for one just want us all to get on with our lives. This has been going on for two years now. The funny thing is that a lot of ALPA supporters are leaving for non union airlines like Virgin America or JetBlue. This shows me they just want to hurt SkyWest and have a chance to stir the pot. Why are you ALPA guys leaving for non union places??

 

[jayme]

Why are you ALPA guys leaving for non union places??

JetBlue and Virgin America pay more. You knew that, didn't you?

How, exactly, is the union drive making your life miserable? Maybe you should be talking these feelings out with a therapist.

 

[jayme]

In the past month or so, payroll has changed the way they pay us for cancelled legs AND now claim that DH on a JR man assignment does not qualify for time-and-a-half.

It seems that SkyWest knows a union is likely to pass, and they want these new "policies" to be considered "status quo" while we negotiate our first contract. Either that, or they're being a bunch of priks.

 

[foofighter101]

This one won't pass. Same old story, the union pushers talk it up as if it will pass and the vote comes and goes. Just part of working at Skywest.

 

[jayme]

How can you feel that way with the arbitrary new "interpretations" of policy lately?

Are you aware that with a union, we would have a binding contact? Management would be held legally liable if they decided not to follow the contract.

 

[Nightrain_080]

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JetBlue and Virgin America pay more. You knew that, didn't you?

How, exactly, is the union drive making your life miserable? Maybe you should be talking these feelings out with a therapist.

Exactly........ newoman (100% wussy) needs his midol to make it through the Union drive.

 

[bmpilot2003]

I would just like the truth.. This is so alpa to do this. If you want SkyWest then start by giving us the facts. How many cards are back. Eveyone you talk to has a different story. This is why most of us left alpa airlines to come to SkyWest! My guess is they have the 35% and are just trying to stir the pot, keep things alive. What ever!!!

You obviously need a history lesson about SkyWest management, only then will you realize that management does not give a rats A$$ about "Being the employer of choice". If you ever get the chance to fly with a 20 year captain be humble enough and ask them to fill you in on management's failures.

 

[jayme]

Exactly. What is ALPA supposed to do? E-mail you every time a card is turned in?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

JetBlue and Virgin America pay more. You knew that, didn't you?

How, exactly, is the union drive making your life miserable? Maybe you should be talking these feelings out with a therapist.

Maybe Newwoman could do all of us a favor and OD on whatever drugs he/she is on!

 

[CFIT]

You obviously need a history lesson about SkyWest management, only then will you realize that management does not give a rats A$$ about "Being the employer of choice". If you ever get the chance to fly with a 20 year captain be humble enough and ask them to fill you in on management's failures.

I'm not nearly a 20 year captain but close, and most are of the same way, no thankyou ALPA. Wev'e been through so many drives and after the fact most if not all are happy with what we have.

ALPA is going to have to come up with a substantial performance package and history to push the majority to make this happen. What ahppened 30 years ago is not relevent.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I'm not nearly a 20 year captain but close, and most are of the same way, no thankyou ALPA. Wev'e been through so many drives and after the fact most if not all are happy with what we have.

ALPA is going to have to come up with a substantial performance package and history to push the majority to make this happen. What ahppened 30 years ago is not relevent.

I've been here over 20....speak for yourself!

 

[bmpilot2003]

I'm not nearly a 20 year captain but close, and most are of the same way, no thankyou ALPA. Wev'e been through so many drives and after the fact most if not all are happy with what we have.

ALPA is going to have to come up with a substantial performance package and history to push the majority to make this happen. What ahppened 30 years ago is not relevent.

Im not talking about about the past 30 years, just the previous seven. I guess you are ok with jerry and the boys lying right to your face. If you are ok with that then you are probably lacking a little integrity yourself.

 

[bmpilot2003]

I'm not nearly a 20 year captain but close, and most are of the same way, no thankyou ALPA. Wev'e been through so many drives and after the fact most if not all are happy with what we have.

ALPA is going to have to come up with a substantial performance package and history to push the majority to make this happen. What ahppened 30 years ago is not relevent.

by the way close does not =20YEARS

Speaking of integrity you are probably one of the SAPA reps than continue to sell this pilot group down the river.

"Our Mission Statement and Guiding Principles We understand and value the priceless commodity of time. We respect every individual's quality of life and are committed to promoting dignity and trust in all we do.

We Strive To Be:
The Airline of Choice
The Employer of Choice
The Investment of Choice

Our Guiding Principles:
Health and Safety First
Excellent Service and Quality
Personal and Operational Reliability
Fairness and Consistency
Respect and Teamwork
Personal and Corporate Integrity
Superior Profitability & Efficient Use of All Resources "

This obviously means nothing to you.

 

[XPOO]

I was always told if isn't broke don't fix it. Going ALPA would just even the playing field for the have-not regionals. They know we hold an unfair advantage over them by not having a union. Thanks for the rhetoric. Get back to us when a vote is actually in place. Until then, I'll just consider it a worn out scare tatic.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The funny thing is that a lot of ALPA supporters are leaving for non union airlines like Virgin America or JetBlue. This shows me they just want to hurt SkyWest and have a chance to stir the pot. Why are you ALPA guys leaving for non union places??

The jB guys are calling ALPA. VA exist on paper.

non union... it seems to me most places are unionized. care to address the Southwest factor? I asked you already but you didn't reply... or did I miss it?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ALPA is going to have to come up with a substantial performance package and history to push the majority to make this happen.



What ahppened 30 years ago is not relevent.

Have you read Flying the Line Vol I and II? yes or no? (that goes for you too Newman)


What will happen in 5-10 years in relevent. Will you be prepared?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Several of our ASA ALPA reps are on the organizing committee, and according to them it's going pretty well. I don't believe they share the "ALPA propaganda" you speak of. In fact, WF is on the ALPA board saying that they already have 45% of the cards back and look to hold a vote this summer or early fall aftet they get 75%.

The union detractors will always tell you ALPA sucks and the union supporters will always tell you you need it. Ignore the vocal fringes and look to the middle. All unions are a double edged sword, but it's like homeowners insurance. You don't need it until you need it, but if you need it and don't have any, you're screwed.

Skywest 'aint a mom & pop operation anymore. Y'all need the protection a union provides, because the good times always come to an end eventually. Once we sign our contract at ASA, the tables are going to turn on the growth.

www.skywestalpa.org

 

[XPOO]

I'll be waiting in anticipation.....yaaaawn!

 

[jayme]

I was always told if isn't broke don't fix it. Going ALPA would just even the playing field for the have-not regionals. They know we hold an unfair advantage over them by not having a union. Thanks for the rhetoric. Get back to us when a vote is actually in place. Until then, I'll just consider it a worn out scare tatic.

It IS broke: PBS, Bucket system, cancellation pay changed, no jr man pay for DH, drawn out "negotiations" for a crappy 5% BHO, nothing for the brasilia, management pay freezes to convince others to take pay freezes then management gets trued-up while the rest of us lose out to inflation...

You'd have to be here for more than a couple years to notice it, but compensation and QOL are moving in the wrong direction. Meanwhile SW keeps making money hand over fist.

 

[SSDD]

This is way I see it. There is very little internal support for ALPA. Sure there is the 35 or 40 guys, and gals, on the OC and another couple of hundred supporters, but thats about it. Most of the push is coming from the outside, and obviously, those people can't vote. There just aren't that many pissed off-fire in the belly, type of people at Skywest.

A lot of the people who wanted the union and sent in the original cards have moved on. The UA guys have gone, or are going to get recalled, also a lot of people have left for Continental, Alaska, Southwest, etc.

Barring any major, in your face, screw ups by the company, I don't see more than about 450-500 votes. People here just aren't pissed off!