Delta RFP awarded....

[jayme]

As far as losing flying goes, that's life. However, SkyWest has long-term contracts in force. Delta's was affirmed in bankruptcy court, so I don't think they can get out of it now, unlike how they put Comair's flying up for bid. United is not in bankruptcy, so the contract is valid.

So any increase in our pay comes out of SkyWest Inc's profit. Does that bother you? I wish management was as motivated to please us as your are to please them.

 

[QCappy]

Don't forget Horizon...$20+ a flight hour more at my seniority, higher per diem than us for domestic flying and even more than that for international, and a higher match on their 401K! Yet their company makes much less than Skywest!!!!

Per deim is the same for both domestic and international at Horizon. And you cannot compare what SkyWest makes to what Horizon makes. Two completely different business models.

 

[Palerider957]

He who came before you should keep his job. His job should not be subject to the lowest bid. Why dont you just put pilot jobs on Ebay.

My friend, Karl Marx is dead and wrong.

 

[PCL_128]

My friend, Karl Marx is dead and wrong.

So now someone is a communist simply because they think it's wrong to bid out someone's job to the lowest bidder? Whatever happened to ethics? Capitalism and ethics/morality should not be mutually exclusive. Airline management seems to believe that they are. Unfortunately, it seems that you do too.

 

[Auburn_CFI]

So now someone is a communist simply because they think it's wrong to bid out someone's job to the lowest bidder? Whatever happened to ethics? quote]

I agree with you PCL. That said, you mean it's like someone paying to be a 121 FO? Lowest bidder? Like you did at Gulfstream? I read this forum and you are always blabbing, but your are the worst of all, a hypocrite. Please realize that no one takes you as a credible source even if the content of your opinion is correct.

 

[Heavy Set]

So now someone is a communist simply because they think it's wrong to bid out someone's job to the lowest bidder? Whatever happened to ethics? quote]

I agree with you PCL. That said, you mean it's like someone paying to be a 121 FO? Lowest bidder? Like you did at Gulfstream? I read this forum and you are always blabbing, but your are the worst of all, a hypocrite. Please realize that no one takes you as a credible source even if the content of your opinion is correct.

I think PCL brings up plenty of good points. Sure, he may have made the mistake of paying for some training, but Southwest guys do that today. Do you slam them too? It got him to where he is today, and he passed all of the checkrides along the way. You sound like a spoiled brat who is jealous.

 

[Palerider957]

So now someone is a communist simply because they think it's wrong to bid out someone's job to the lowest bidder? Whatever happened to ethics? quote]

I agree with you PCL. That said, you mean it's like someone paying to be a 121 FO? Lowest bidder? Like you did at Gulfstream? I read this forum and you are always blabbing, but your are the worst of all, a hypocrite. Please realize that no one takes you as a credible source even if the content of your opinion is correct.

Jesus....so SKYW pilots should refuse to fly these aircraft? Should we all be down on SKYW because they are not ALPA? Everyone should pound on the SKYW pilot group because they seem to be relatively happy and prosperous?

Management is not the cause of low pilot wages, pilots willing to fly for low wages is the cause. You may call it blaming the victim, I call it the most basic economics........this is why I left the airlines.

Your salvation is NOT in ALPA, or name calling, or scope clauses....your salvation is in the mirror, and in the mirror of the pilot sitting next to you.

 

[Palerider957]

So now someone is a communist simply because they think it's wrong to bid out someone's job to the lowest bidder? Whatever happened to ethics? Capitalism and ethics/morality should not be mutually exclusive. Airline management seems to believe that they are. Unfortunately, it seems that you do too.

Incidentally, why woudln't managment bid pilot jobs out to the lowest bidder? It's not like airline pilots are in short supply, nor are they especially skilled.

I got fed up with the low pay, lack of cohesion among the pilot group, and slow pace of negotiations. I don't only blame managment for this, the pilot group never applied significant pressure to make things happen. So why NOT put these jobs on ebay........answer your own question.

 

[PCL_128]

Jesus....so SKYW pilots should refuse to fly these aircraft? Should we all be down on SKYW because they are not ALPA? Everyone should pound on the SKYW pilot group because they seem to be relatively happy and prosperous?

Not at all. I'm not "down" on any pilots (except for GoJet). I think we should be working with the Skywest pilots to get them into ALPA. That's exactly what we're doing.

Your salvation is NOT in ALPA, or name calling, or scope clauses....your salvation is in the mirror, and in the mirror of the pilot sitting next to you.

You are contradicting yourself. ALPA is the pilot in the mirror and the pilot sitting next to you. ALPA is not some nebulous organization up in Herndon that pilots should just expect to solve the world's problems. ALPA is me and you and every other member pilot.

 

[PCL_128]

So why NOT put these jobs on ebay........answer your own question.

Ethics and morality. Smart and ethical management rewards the very people that helped build the company into what it is today. Short-sighted and unethical management outsources the jobs of the people that built the company and puts them out on the street. Southwest understands the idea of rewarding the people that built the company. As a result, SWA has been wildly successful. Companies that have treated their employees as line items on a balance sheet have been stupendous failures constantly in and out of bankruptcy.