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Come on Rez, I just gave a definitive answer to the debate on the college degree thing so we could all move on to other topics. Had it all put to bed and done with.

Now you go and throw more variables into the mix and people are going to continue to beat this dead horse!

FJ
 
⌐ FLYER;1189231 said:

As far as AirInc – it has worked for some but for some people if hasn’t – it’s all about your attitude, your timing, but you’ll also need some luck. I’d also recommend a slightly unusual approach – the last job fair I went to was a women-in-aviation seminar. I’m a white guy, but I figured why not? Well, I’ve been to several AirInc job fairs but personally I think this is much better. I think so for numerous reasons but mainly because you’ll have more time available to you when talking to the recruiters - the line behind you just isn’t that long. ;) Oh, and it worked – 2 weeks later I interviewed and got the job! Good luck to you!
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Ditto on the WAI. Their membership is cheap, and their conference is muy bueno, also much better than an AIR, Inc. in my opinion. Believe it or not, being a guy at WAI doesn't seem to faze any of the recruiters...in fact, it's probably one of the few times in aviation where you'll actually be more likely to be REMEMBERED for being male. Not that they think you're weird/perverted for going...after all, Chuck Yeager is one of the many male members. LOTS of opportunities not only to go and shake hands, but also to go to the social events/dinners that are at WAI, where you never know who you're going to run into...
 
"Their membership is cheap"

I actually went without joining, just paid for the seminar itself. Good luck either way.

Btw. next conference is in Feb in Orlando. www.wai.org
 
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Money Belts

Is waist of money the same as Money Belt? All kidding aside, Air Inc is something you should do at least once. Particularly a military coming into the civilian market.
 
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instructordude said:
I would favor those with degrees but I don't think one who has achieved that will make a better monkey button pusher
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Button pushing is a small part of this job. I like to say that we have a job that is easy to do poorly. It is easy to not study the weather before departure (or have any knowledge on how weather systems work) and trust the dispatcher. You can sit back and read the paper and never check your fuel, winds, engine gages, or follow your flight plan as your flight progresses. There are lots of things that can be done on a flight that probably will not make any difference that time, and nobody will know if you did them or not. Maybe that is why a degree is good to have. It shows that I can do well in that art history class I took even though I had no interest in doing it. Aviation can be terribly unforgiving.
 
Vingus said:
This is the perfect example of why pilots these days are not considered professionals. This guy can't spell worth a dime (he made this same mistake twice). Dude, did you almost flunk out of high school, skip college, then have daddy pay for your flight academy?

And you wonder why some airlines consider a college degree "highly perferred". Too weed out saps like this!

Please educate yourself.
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Ewe knead two ewes spellcheck weather oar knot yew no four sure.
 
I am living proof that a couple of coolege degrees have nothing to do wiht spleeing ability. Just like a college degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane.
 
You just don't understand

pilotyip said:
I am living proof that a couple of coolege degrees have nothing to do wiht spleeing ability. Just like a college degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane.
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Yip, I think now it's almost comical dealing with you and your broken record mentality. Dude (I mean Sir), how long are you going to live in 1965? I have agreed with you multiple times in the past - YOU'RE RIGHT YIP, FLYING AN AIRLINER DOESN'T REQUIRE A 4 YEAR DEGREE!!! You won!!!

However, here is the point I've made before, I'll make now, and I'm sure I'll make in the future with you as you continue to grovel over and over at your pessimistic mentality towards higher education. A college degree IS required to improve a person's knowledge and communication skills - no two ways about it. And as the competition for the major's continues to be incredibly tough, a college degree is going to set you apart from the other non-college pogues in more ways than one. An interview panel doesn't think (oh, can this person fly a big tube with 200 people on it?) Of course not, your stats already show that, or you wouldn't have made it to the interview in the first place. They're thinking, can this guy be a captain for my company in 10 years, communicate well with his pax, be a good guy to present to the media, and overall show his professionalism? This is where having that college degree and experience kicks in!! That is why you need a 4 year degree, and why the major's are very smart in either requiring it on their app's or "highly preferring" it.

OK, I'm standing by for your negative rebuttal yip. Take us back to 1960 where you don't need the college degree to be competitive. In 2006 that just doesn't cut it anymore.
 
College degrees do not necessarily make one smarter, but they do make one more competitive - both in this industry and in many others. Since the college degree is a MAJOR factor in who gets hired and who does not, it would not be a wise decision to embark into a profession where the majority of the applicants have at least one college degree.

Learning a skill makes you qualified for a particular job. Combining that skill with a college degree makes you competitive. Put the two together and combine it with "who you know", and you are probably going to get hired. However, the "who you know" will probably be asked "what you have?" i.e., a degree.
 
Hey scrapdog "non-college pogues" I guess we know how you feel about the low lifes without college degree. It has been posted that I am anti-college degree. Nothing cold is further from the truth. The country needs all the college-educated citizens it can have, its raises the level of knowledge to keep this as the greatest country in the world. Real degrees in business, engineering, the sciences, math, and medicine provide a graduate with marketable skills. If you are going to go to college, get a real degree from a real university. Do not spend four years getting a degree in Women’s Studies so you can apply at CAL. The college degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane. Many have posted they agree it has nothing to do with the mastering on an airplane. I have admitted that the possession of a degree may open doors at a few select places of employment in the airline industry. If a potential pilot feels they will only be pleased in life if they get an interview with FedEx, then that prospective pilot should go to college. Air Inc advertises that 172 airlines and assorted aviation companies are recruiting right now; I only see four that make the degree a showstopper. My assertion that runs contrary to the ‘College is a must” crowd, is that to be competitive for the other 168 places the degree is not necessary. If a prospective pilots just loves flying airplanes, and would be happy making $70-$100K per year with no debt from college loans, a college degree is not necessary. Many prospective pilots may be steered into attending college when they are not college material, not because of a lack basic intelligence, but because it is not important to them. These pilots want to get on with their lives flying airplanes. I have seen too many non-degreed pilots reach a good career position with out a degree. But then my focus is on job satisfaction and not upon pay, respect, and prestige. It is about the joy of flying an airplane. Others out there may feel the same motivation I do. My advice is go to school part time or community college and fly, pilots get hired because they have flight time. Flt time moves you up the food chain to better jobs; the degree is not needed until the last step. You can go to school part time with a full time flying job, you cannot build real flight time while going to school full time. I have seen non-degreed guys go to the Nationals in their mid-20’s.
 
I have admitted that the possession of a degree may open doors at a few select places of employment in the airline industry.

Talk about denial.
Fine, feel that way. While we are at the carriers not thinking about it.
 
instructordude said:
I don't think airlines should require pilots to have a 4 year degree. High school, yes. College is definitely not that important when it deals with flying.
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And yet, the people making the hiring decisions at the majors believe that it is.
 
pilotyip said:
It has been posted that I am anti-college degree. Nothing cold is further from the truth.

If you are going to go to college, get a real degree from a real university. Do not spend four years getting a degree in Women’s Studies so you can apply at CAL.

The college degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane. Many have posted they agree it has nothing to do with the mastering on an airplane.

My advice is go to school part time or community college and fly, pilots get hired because they have flight time. Flt time moves you up the food chain to better jobs; the degree is not needed until the last step.
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Old Yip - here we go again...I knew it would only take a few minutes before you tooted your horn.

Let's break this down - first of all, you are EXTREMELY anti-college. Take a look at every post you make that has to do with some sort of education. It's always completely pessimistic towards a pilot and the importantance of him getting a 4 year degree.

Secondly, you're right on the money. As I have said in my previous posts - if you're going to get a 4 year degree, do indeed get a solid diploma from a solid school. A 4 year degree in basketweaving is hardly going to help improve your worldliness and communication skills.

Third, again - I agree with you. As I said earlier, there really isn't much that college has to do with flying airplanes, especially the ones today that are so automated...the actual pilotage is almost taken completely out of the equation (except in circumstances of emergencies of course).

Last - what are you talking about? Didn't you just state in the same post that you need a solid 4 year degree if you're going to go and get your diploma? And now you mention "well, go ahead and try and get your comm college degree part time and fly..." Well, what is it? A solid 4 year degree or a community college associate degree? Now you're contradicting yourself here.

OK Yip, here's the bottom line. 172 airlines are hiring right now as you mentioned. Well, I can probably garuntee you more than half are small outfits with crappy pay and small to none benefit packages (retirement, etc...). Most people that fly strive to fly for a Major as the pinnacle to their career. I don't think there is probably 1 RJ guy out there that says "hmm, I'd like to fly for FDX one day, but I'll settle on Regional Airline X for the next 30 years of my life making 40,000 as a captain by the time I'm 55." (And I'm not using an RJ guy as a slam, I'm just proving a point - no offense at all intended fellas). Yip, come on dude get a grip - guys start at peanut airlines to make it the Majors one day - pure and simple. And guess what...the Majors that are hiring in the good ole' US and A either require or highly prefer a 4 year degree - and they should with good reason...they want the best well, rounded individual as their employee. The college degree is a huge portion of that well-roundedness. Flying a jet is fun making 50,000 with no college education, but it's a lot more fun doing that same job making 175,000 with a college education at a Major.
 
Only a WAIST if you don't get the interview or job.

Actually it is not a waste of time or money if you are ALREADY competitive in your qualifications. It is not a magic pill to get you hired on the spot. However, we all know great places like AirTran, Southwest, and UPS have hundreds or thousands of quality resumes currently on file. Attending a Job fair with your airline of choice will definitely help get a foot in the door if you are competitive in their eyes.​
 
Vingus said:
And you wonder why some airlines consider a college degree "highly perferred". Too weed out saps like this!

Please educate yourself.
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Have another slice of humble pie Vingus. The correct spelling of "perferred" is preferred.

I for one am a 'professional', and I'd like to go to the next air inc conference two.


ha ha psyche
 
For the “College Only” crowd, there are many ways to skin a cat, you have your way which you feel is the only way anyone should do things. "The way I did it". I do not agree with you, if my grandson elected to pursue a pilots career, I will recommend he not go to college full time, but follow the other time tested path where I have seen too many people succeed. That is fly full time, do your degree on the side, build time, build your resume. I will not debate the fall back value of a college degree, as I have stated many times it is nearly worthless after not being used for 20 years. Here are some of the latest Air Inc hiring stats from Kit. Percent of hires with no 4-yr degree, AirTran 12%, CAL 9%, DHL 33%, Jet Blue 18% and SWA 7%. Are those not good jobs? In addition, to take this one step further if 95% of the pilots applying have four yr degrees and those airline hiring non 4 yr degree pilots in the 7% to 33% range. It would tend to support that the degree is not all that important in getting a good airline job. Let me give you the background on the college degree thing. I do not judge a man by his degree, where he lives, or what he does for a living. I judge a man on the content of his character. I find the college degrees only crowd here, a bit arrogant, a smacking of if you do not have a degree you are not as good as me. I know too many people who are successful and fine men who do not have a degrees, I know many people with degrees who will never make any impact upon anything. I know too many pilots without degrees who I consider some of the most successful people I know I admire them and the lives they have built. So I bait, about the non-importance of the college degree in this business. I think this sets off the college degree only crowd because it distorts their view of what they have done. Secondarily my pilot heroes did not have college degrees and they performed feats that would test the metal of anyone. They flew in WWII, George Bush I in the Pacific, the 10,000’s of B-17 and B-24 pilots in Europe, and the C-46 pilots over the hump in China. I meet these guys on the air show circuit, they come to see the C-47 and B-17, and I ask them about their adventures during the war. I am in awe of what they did. How can anyone say these guys without degrees were not as good as today’s degreed pilots?


 
How about Air Inc's interview prep services? Has anyone had any experience with that?
As far as the fair goes, I have scored two interviews through them. The first was a bust but the second is upcoming quickly thus the prep.
 

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