XJ TA may be voted down

[XJPilot547]

Oh so there are valid reasons for Eagle's sorry contract but not for anyone at XJ. Kind of a double standard, don't you think. You say it's pretty good looking at the landscape. Interesting. How about our landscape. Our grass isn't so green. There are no guarantees that we will win another appeal. Look at the NWA FAs. They've been waiting for months with no end in sight. I'm sure if we hold this supposed line and have mgmt terms imposed, you will be in our crewroom writing checks to make up our loss. Yeah right. I voted no in 04 and voted no to this TA. However, if it passes, I will go along with my brothers and sisters here at XJ. I don't really care what eagle has to say about that.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Besides, XJ will probably have gone through 2 more contracts, another bankruptcy, and a merger before Eagle is even amendable.

Just kidding, guys.

 

[airmasn]

What I cant stand is that you guys on the sidelines throwing rocks at the XJ pilots seem to think there is a way to win this game.

At Mesaba, there is no holding out for a better deal. If the TA gets voted down, we live under the latest imposed term sheet. The dip financing is being accessed with or without a deal. In the mean time, XJ moves forward with whatever plans they have and we live under terms that clearly undercut the industry and make it more difficult to feed and care for our families. How does that serve us or any other regional pilot groups' best interest? Now their company has the template to rape their pilots the same way.

Or door number 2: vote for a TA that does not undercut the industry and actually recaptures the wage and benefit losses at year 4, bringing the pilots back above the industry and back to current book. All the work rules: min day, 11 days off, 75 hour guarantee, and sick pay at 100% remain intact, all things that were under attack by XJ management.

The whole bankruptcy process has been complete bull$hit but we can't do anything about that. The courts hate us and Bush would probably prevent a strike in the 1 in a million chance we were actually awarded such a right. This whole process has been stop-loss damage control. It sucks...we didnt ask for this. But working under an imposed deal does not serve the interests of XJ pilots or the airline industry.

p.s. we dont need any integrity speeches from pilots who ever paid for their training either.

 

[201 Poplar]

My concern is that our union has yet to tells us the "what if?" I have voted no on principal, and what if the rest of us do the same. What happens next, and what are our options now?

The company WON'T impose or they would have done this long ago!!!

 

[ATA73Pilot]

Or door number 2: vote for a TA that does not undercut the industry and actually recaptures the wage and benefit losses at year 4, bringing the pilots back above the industry and back to current book.

Be careful on thinking that this will actually happen. In my career I have been through several ALPA contracts - some which contained this so-called snap-back provision.

It is a carrot-stick mentality. Ask around. How many pilot groups with so called snap-back provisions actually were able to see them take effect.

When the time rolls around - the company will find some excuse to avoid the snap-backs. There will be much chest-thumping by the pilots. But in the end a new side-letter of agreement will be negotiated effectively bypassing the snap-back.

Good Luck - you guys are in a tough spot.

 

[airmasn]

"The company WON'T impose or they would have done this long ago!!!"???

please...

The company won't do anything until big daddy NWA tells them to. Doesnt it make you wonder that over the last 12 months XJ couldnt get a deal with anybody? then, in the course of 5 days, they had 3???

also, XJ filed the 8K paperwork last week with the SEC to access the dip financing of $24 million. they cannot touch it without a deal, imposed or a TA. if the TA gets shot down and they want to access the funds, how do you think they will do it...?

the company is ready to move forward and they will do it with or without us. again, my question is, how does an imposed deal on the pilots serve our interests or the reginal airline industry's? it doesnt, it only makes things worse for everyone. there is no holding out for better...

 

[saabservant]

My concern is that our union has yet to tells us the "what if?" I have voted no on principal, and what if the rest of us do the same. What happens next, and what are our options now?

The company WON'T impose or they would have done this long ago!!!

Bingo...They have blinked twice.
I understand why one would vote for this ta, but i am choosing to fight this, and am willing to suffer the consequences (possible imposition), because I am willing to move on.
The decision on the aircraft has already been made. They won't come here under imposed conditions, because they are fearful of the chaos on line.
Where do they go then? Compass? Not even close to being up and running...
Pinnacle? In the middle of a section 6 beatdown? Nope.
This kind of fraud and theft against a work group needs to be fought even harder. Just my opinion.

 

[WTF-Over]

I depend on my income from XJ. But I am voting NO to this worthless piece of crap. Because I am NOT going to sell my soul because I'm to scared to risk loosing my job at XJ. The "live to fight another day" crowd are nothing but cowards that might as well say.."I'll drop my drawers and bend over today so hopefully I won't have to another day!!"
Come--on..pull up your pants, get a backbone and fight. Vote no, and fight today. If you vote yes then the SLT has already won simply because they achived thier goal of wearing you down to the point of voting yes for anything.

 

[A19]

I voted No as well. Yes, I want to thank the MEC and the negotiating commitee. They did their best with what was thrust on them. However, I am not going to reward the SLT for the lies, deciet, the lives they affected, all because of this SHAM BK!


"p.s. we dont need any integrity speeches from pilots who ever paid for their training either."

And no I did not pay for my training, XJ paid for it when I was a hew hire, when I upgraded, downgraded, then upgraded again, then downgraded again.

 

[Positive Rate]

I m...A BIG NO..to the T.A......Man the redtail family sucks....and they are going to keep sucking the life right from under us......In some ways...its just spite....to say no for me..and in other ways....its why say yes....what have they done for us latley?......When something is "negotiated" its always turned around later and it never happens.....they out of any airline out there..dangle that carret and yet to feed us with that carrot.............The BK=false........so they can suck my balls along with that carrot.............