AMFA/NWA Srike Over?

[ExAF]

The NWA/AMFA strike vote results are in.
Accept 1511 - 72.6%
Denied 583 - 27.08%
Abstain 3.0 - 14%
This is all that was posted at the local AMFA website in MSP. Does this mean the strike is officially over?

 

[accinelli]

That's correct. Why NWA agreed to this is still unclear.

 

[Junkflyer]

Maybe so they wouldn't have scabs working on their airplanes.

 

[accinelli]

Maybe so they wouldn't have scabs working on their airplanes.

The "scabs" are doing a great job at reasonable rates -- so why not?

 

[pw4000]

The "scabs" are doing a great job at reasonable rates -- so why not?

This is why we as aircraft mechanis cant make any money. Because low lifes like your self has this train of thoughts. Aircraft mechanics should be paid the same as pilots 10 year captian at a 121. aircraft mechanic 10 year at 121 should be paid the same. SCABS suck bottom line oh yea nice nwa pilots flying a/c worked on buy scabs and why are pilots the first ones to take pay cuts???

 

[skydivinguy]

The "scabs" are doing a great job at reasonable rates -- so why not?

Yep, they are!

BTW, ya gotta admit that mechanics making 40 bucks an hour is a bit out of line (NWA pre "scab").

 

[XJWRENCH]

Yep, they are!

BTW, ya gotta admit that mechanics making 40 bucks an hour is a bit out of line (NWA pre "scab").

It was actually more around $35. Why does this seem unreasonable? You wouldn't think twice about an electrician or a plumber making that much. or a heavy equipment operator... why then for someone who is maintaining an airliner. I don't think they made too much for when that contract was ratified ( pre 9/11 ). Fed Ex tops out in the $40's. I think they had mabe a few too many as far as head count, but that doen't matter now.

 

[accinelli]

The "scabs" are doing a great job at reasonable rates -- so why not?

This is why we as aircraft mechanis cant make any money. Because low lifes like your self has this train of thoughts. Aircraft mechanics should be paid the same as pilots 10 year captian at a 121. aircraft mechanic 10 year at 121 should be paid the same. SCABS suck bottom line oh yea nice nwa pilots flying a/c worked on buy scabs and why are pilots the first ones to take pay cuts???

Aircraft Mechanics do well enough. AMFA was a militant group and needed to go.
If not -- how come you guys got no support from any of the other NWA unions?

 

[HelloNewman]

Aircraft Mechanics do well enough. AMFA was a militant group and needed to go.
If not -- how come you guys got no support from any of the other NWA unions?

hear hear. lets face reality. That strike was doomed from day one.

 

[Espalda Mojado]

aircraft mechanic 10 year at 121 should be paid the same. SCABS suck bottom line oh yea nice nwa pilots flying a/c worked on buy scabs and why are pilots the first ones to take pay cuts???

If you wanted to make a pilot's paycheck, then you should have gone to flight school.

 

[pw4000]

No a mechanic should make as much as or more then pilots.

 

[STAL6]

I'm not in a union and never have been, but I would not try taking someone's job out from under them, when they are just trying to do the best they can. there are lots of open positions out there and my tool box has wheels.

Stal6

 

[Espalda Mojado]

No a mechanic should make as much as or more then pilots.

We can talk about this in person, next time I need the bugs wiped off the windshield.

 

[Superunknown]

No a mechanic should make as much as or more then pilots.

I agree.

They have just as much responsibility as the pilots. And when was the last time you saw a mechanic sitting in a cushy chair with a head rest sucking down diet Pepsi's and peanuts watching a computerized wrench repairing the airplane?

 

[pw4000]

We can talk about this in person, next time I need the bugs wiped off the windshield.

Well when we both lose our jobs and I have skill to get a job what will a atp get you oh yea a job a k-mart.

 

[Freight Dog]

pw4000... you screw up, I die. I screw up - I die. Not quite the same, is it?

This is not to say you shouldn't get paid well for your services, but all things considered, you don't get paid per wrench hour. You get paid from the time you clock in to the time you clock out.

 

[DFries]

I wonder why there arent any posts from former NWA mechanics on here? Probably because they all had to sell their computers to feed their kids. Thanks alot Swissport scabs.

 

[erj-145mech]

pw4000... you screw up, I die. I screw up - I die. Not quite the same, is it?

This is not to say you shouldn't get paid well for your services, but all things considered, you don't get paid per wrench hour. You get paid from the time you clock in to the time you clock out.

And mechs don't get paid to sit in a fluffy seat at three five oh reading the USA Today sipping a cola, wondering what their stocks are going to do either. Come up with something original.

Pay is not what you are worth, its what you negotiated.

 

[Freight Dog]

Actually ERJ, as you know, pilots get paid every dime they're worth and then some when you screw up, or the machine simply has a fit, or mother nature gets pissed off... the list goes on.

Like I said, I want the guys wrenching on my airplane to be the best paid and the happiest bunch. Having said that... but I just don't see that pay being as much as pilots' wages.

 

[erj-145mech]

Thats all well and good, but I don't know a work group that considers itself compendated to where it beleives that is should be. It doesn't matter what industry that is either. Whether you are a greeter at Wal*Mart or a line man at the airport.

The only time that a pilot is worth every penny that he's paid is when the stuff hits the fan. The other 99% of the time he might as well be a truck or bus driver. Industry is developing aircraft and technology that takes the humans out of the equation, ie, UAV's. But it still takes a human to maintain that UAV. The Russians use remote controlled spacecraft to supply the space station on a regular basis.

Since you've brought it up in every post in this thread, if you are afraid of your mortality, then perhaps being a pilot is not suited to you. Every time that you strap on an airplane, you are not taking your life in your hands. You, as the pilot, have control over every aspect of your flight, from the time that you accept the aircraft, until the chocks are set when you park the beast. The most dangerous part of your job is travelling from your home to the airport.

 

[CRJ's suck]

pw4000... you screw up, I die. I screw up - I die. Not quite the same, is it?

So I guess were not talking about responsibility here, were talking about your mortality. Personally, if my mortality affected how I did my job, I'd probably go out and find different job. You are responsible for only one plane at one time, when you set the brakes and get off, your liability associated to that plane has ended. A mechanics liability continues for months and sometimes years later. The mechanic is responsible for thousands of lives at once. You are responsible for at the most, a few hundred. Not quite the same, is it?

All in all though, our jobs are completely different. I don't care what you make as I am not in your job classification. So why do you think you should have any say in what I make? Maybe you should be in management.

 

[pw4000]

Yea it sure looks like pilots are working out of the cockpit.

 

[STAL6]

We can talk about this in person, next time I need the bugs wiped off the windshield.

I'll wipe the bugs off your windshield, but it will cost you $50.00 and that's only if it takes less than 15 min. If it's longer than that I'll have to charge you more.

Stal6

 

[skydivinguy]

Aircraft have automatic pilots. Aircraft do not have automatic mechanics.....

That said, if we (mechanics) got paid as much or more than pilots, there wouldn't be any pilots or mechanics working in US aviation.

As Rodney King once said "can't we all just get along?" lol!!!

 

[jumppilot]

I agree.

They have just as much responsibility as the pilots. And when was the last time you saw a mechanic sitting in a cushy chair with a head rest sucking down diet Pepsi's and peanuts watching a computerized wrench repairing the airplane?

And when was the last time you saw a mechanic have to sleep in a hotel bed 15 nights out of the week?

And when was the last time you saw a mechanic lose his job because his blood pressure was "a little out of limits"?

And when was the last time you saw a mechanic die because he screwed up?

I agree we should all be paid well, especially considering the business we're in. But lets call a spade a spade. Pilots have to put up with a lot more than the "cushy chair, give me a diet pepsi" life.

I'd gladly trade a significant portion of my pay if it meant I could be home every night. Hey, maybe then I could save money by actually eating a home cooked meal.

 

[jumppilot]

And mechs don't get paid to sit in a fluffy seat at three five oh reading the USA Today sipping a cola, wondering what their stocks are going to do....

...all the while heading to some crappy destination to sit in a hotel room for 24 hours with a crew they hate, only to have one day off then do it all again for another 4 days.

Oh, did I mention your son broke his arm while playing baseball and you're not home for another 3 days? Or your grass needs mowed?

Even while working the crappiest mechanic shift, you can still find time to come home to deal with the mundance aspects of life us pilots yearn for so much.

 

[erj-145mech]

Hey Bub, you actively pursued and chose that life style, knowing full well what was in store for you.

Not all pilots live in hotel rooms, or are away from the family for days on end. When you were instructing, how many nights away from home did you spend?

If you made a choice, and you are not happy about it, tough it out or change your life style.

Welcome to my world.

 

[Junkflyer]

I don't think they're unhappy about it, just telling it like it is. I've worked both sides and am happier flying though it does take away alot of time at home. The mechanics make more than pilots here at least for the first few years. The ride on mechanics typically make more than most fo's and engineers.

 

[pw4000]

Then why do pilots act like or were white collar but when then get bad it's oh were blue collar. Mechanics pay should be the same as a pilot

 

[DFries]

Then why do pilots act like or were white collar but when then get bad it's oh were blue collar. Mechanics pay should be the same as a pilot

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