AMFA/NWA Srike Over?

[CRJ's suck]

pw4000... you screw up, I die. I screw up - I die. Not quite the same, is it?

So I guess were not talking about responsibility here, were talking about your mortality. Personally, if my mortality affected how I did my job, I'd probably go out and find different job. You are responsible for only one plane at one time, when you set the brakes and get off, your liability associated to that plane has ended. A mechanics liability continues for months and sometimes years later. The mechanic is responsible for thousands of lives at once. You are responsible for at the most, a few hundred. Not quite the same, is it?

All in all though, our jobs are completely different. I don't care what you make as I am not in your job classification. So why do you think you should have any say in what I make? Maybe you should be in management.

 

[pw4000]

Yea it sure looks like pilots are working out of the cockpit.

 

[STAL6]

We can talk about this in person, next time I need the bugs wiped off the windshield.

I'll wipe the bugs off your windshield, but it will cost you $50.00 and that's only if it takes less than 15 min. If it's longer than that I'll have to charge you more.

Stal6

 

[skydivinguy]

Aircraft have automatic pilots. Aircraft do not have automatic mechanics.....

That said, if we (mechanics) got paid as much or more than pilots, there wouldn't be any pilots or mechanics working in US aviation.

As Rodney King once said "can't we all just get along?" lol!!!

 

[jumppilot]

I agree.

They have just as much responsibility as the pilots. And when was the last time you saw a mechanic sitting in a cushy chair with a head rest sucking down diet Pepsi's and peanuts watching a computerized wrench repairing the airplane?

And when was the last time you saw a mechanic have to sleep in a hotel bed 15 nights out of the week?

And when was the last time you saw a mechanic lose his job because his blood pressure was "a little out of limits"?

And when was the last time you saw a mechanic die because he screwed up?

I agree we should all be paid well, especially considering the business we're in. But lets call a spade a spade. Pilots have to put up with a lot more than the "cushy chair, give me a diet pepsi" life.

I'd gladly trade a significant portion of my pay if it meant I could be home every night. Hey, maybe then I could save money by actually eating a home cooked meal.

 

[jumppilot]

And mechs don't get paid to sit in a fluffy seat at three five oh reading the USA Today sipping a cola, wondering what their stocks are going to do....

...all the while heading to some crappy destination to sit in a hotel room for 24 hours with a crew they hate, only to have one day off then do it all again for another 4 days.

Oh, did I mention your son broke his arm while playing baseball and you're not home for another 3 days? Or your grass needs mowed?

Even while working the crappiest mechanic shift, you can still find time to come home to deal with the mundance aspects of life us pilots yearn for so much.

 

[erj-145mech]

Hey Bub, you actively pursued and chose that life style, knowing full well what was in store for you.

Not all pilots live in hotel rooms, or are away from the family for days on end. When you were instructing, how many nights away from home did you spend?

If you made a choice, and you are not happy about it, tough it out or change your life style.

Welcome to my world.

 

[Junkflyer]

I don't think they're unhappy about it, just telling it like it is. I've worked both sides and am happier flying though it does take away alot of time at home. The mechanics make more than pilots here at least for the first few years. The ride on mechanics typically make more than most fo's and engineers.

 

[pw4000]

Then why do pilots act like or were white collar but when then get bad it's oh were blue collar. Mechanics pay should be the same as a pilot

 

[DFries]

Then why do pilots act like or were white collar but when then get bad it's oh were blue collar. Mechanics pay should be the same as a pilot

Oh this is SO painfull to read, please git spel cehck or granmer chek or sumpin' please yur keelin mi. (do you knoe jon karrey)

 

[SWA tech]

what happend

 

[jumppilot]

Hey Bub, you actively pursued and chose that life style, knowing full well what was in store for you.
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When you were instructing, how many nights away from home did you spend?

If you made a choice, and you are not happy about it, tough it out or change your life style.

Welcome to my world.

You're right, I did pursue this job. However, the realities of it really sink in once you get in it for a few months. Kinda like the high school student that wants to join the Navy for the adventure, yet finds he stuck in the bowls of a ship for months on end as an Electricians Mate.

While I was instructing, I was home everynight, but also made 14K my best year.

I wish I could change, but since I am a part of your world, once removed, my skills don't transfer. So I'm stuck! Yours do, I'd imagine. If you wanted to take night school to be an ASE mechanic at your Ford dealership, you could. I don't have the luxury of taking night classes...I'm gone!

However, I do enjoy many aspects of my job, but I don't agree that we have an equal lifestlye.

(DISCLAIMER: I've never been a mechanic, just like I'm sure you've never been a line pilot. I'm just pointing out my point of view.)

 

[erj-145mech]

You're not stuck, you're not motivated enough to something about it. You are only limited by the size of your cojonies. You might be thinking "Do I have enough seniority to bid my kids birthday off", or "A couple of months more, and I can upgrade". The answer is never. By the time that you're senior enough to get those days off, it'll be time to upgrade and then you'll be a junior captain, and can't get those days off. And by the time that you're a senior captain, you'll want to go to another carrier with bigger equipment, and the cycle starts all over again. You have to answer your own question, is the money worth the quality of life issues? It looks like you are on the road to the former, but you are not happy with your decision.

You must have been a victim of shiney jet syndrome. "Ooooh, aaaaahh, I get to fly a jet, where do I sign?" Don't feel bad, I get the same feelings when I step on the Snap On truck.

Just like most pilots, you're not happy unless you are biatching about something, doesn't matter what, but you have to biatch about something.

 

[FrontierFan]

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[jumppilot]

Just like most pilots, you're not happy unless you are biatching about something, doesn't matter what, but you have to biatch about something.

Yes, I was the victim of Shiney Jet Syndrome, just like all of us when we were 6 (in my case, in 1986) and saw Top Gun for the first time. Except I decided to do something about it.

The realities do not always match up with the dream.

And for the record, I've just graduatued from a university with my MBA while I was flying the line....So yeah, I've been motivated enough to make a change. Oh, I also just bought my 2nd rental property.

Don't tell me I'm not motivated, ass hole. I'm just trying to point out what goes on from the other side of the field.

More to come later, dinner with my family awaits!

 

[TrafficInSight]

Next week on As the Propeller Turns....

 

[erj-145mech]

Yes, I was the victim of Shiney Jet Syndrome, just like all of us when we were 6 (in my case, in 1986) and saw Top Gun for the first time. Except I decided to do something about it.

The realities do not always match up with the dream.

And for the record, I've just graduatued from a university with my MBA while I was flying the line....So yeah, I've been motivated enough to make a change. Oh, I also just bought my 2nd rental property.

Don't tell me I'm not motivated, ass hole. I'm just trying to point out what goes on from the other side of the field.

More to come later, dinner with my family awaits!

OK Jump on My Pole d!ck he@d pile it, if you were motivated, you wouldn't be here b!tching about your crappy life style, you would have done something about it, your friken loser.

Now you can go back to your Hungry man tv dinner and cry in your ginger ale.

 

[CRJ's suck]

Quotes from jump pilot:

I wish I could change, but since I am a part of your world, once removed, my skills don't transfer. So I'm stuck! Yours do, I'd imagine. If you wanted to take night school to be an ASE mechanic at your Ford dealership, you could. I don't have the luxury of taking night classes...I'm gone!

And for the record, I've just graduated from a university with my MBA while I was flying the line....So yeah, I've been motivated enough to make a change. Oh, I also just bought my 2nd rental property.

So jump pilot what are you saying? You don't have the luxury of taking night classes to further your education, because you're flying the line. But in your next post you say you just received your MBA while flying the line. One post you say you're stuck, the next you say you've been making a change. What exactly are you trying to say? You can't have it both ways.

 

[jumppilot]

Quotes from jump pilot:




So jump pilot what are you saying? You don't have the luxury of taking night classes to further your education, because you're flying the line. But in your next post you say you just received your MBA while flying the line. One post you say you're stuck, the next you say you've been making a change. What exactly are you trying to say? You can't have it both ways.

I'm stuck, in the sense I can't make a traditional career switch. As any pilot will tell you, the only way you are going to get ahead and diversify is by 1) getting an additional degree online and 2) get a second trade by reading a lot of books.

You're right, you can't have it both ways. I can only hope to better myself by getting an online MBA (when I'd rather be taking a computer programming class at the community college) and learning how to buy and sell realestate through my own hard work.

I guess I didn't explain myself correctly. What it boils down to, is I hate being away from home so much. Yeah, I chose it, but until you experience it, you'll have no idea how much it sucks.

 

[mnboyev]

The sooner we all figure out.. Management loves this kind of 'unrest' amongst work groups... the soorner we a figure this out, the better off all airline employees will be.

I believe AAR is now doing some NWA's checks... Oh... great benefits and wages.. grind corrosion till the cows come home for half the rate.. geez that sounds great.. and the vacation is great too, health care is to die for, and retirement is fantastic !

Sad day indeed ...