Airtran jumpseating!!!

[elag777]

First one rides for free, after that, it's between you and the agent . . . . and if you get on my plane and say you "bought the jumpseat" you will be returned to the agent for a refund . . . . and a seat on another flight.

Well then it would be between the agent and said pass rider as "your" jumpseat is already taken, so therefore It would seem you have no say as it is in your own words "between you (pass rider) and the agent."

 

[-9Capt]

Well then it would be between the agent and said pass rider as "your" jumpseat is already taken, so therefore It would seem you have no say as it is in your own words "between you (pass rider) and the agent."

Capt. says he's off?, guess what? He's off.

 

[elag777]

Capt. says he's off?, guess what? He's off.

Guess you missed the sarcasm?...:nuts:

 

[Ty Webb]

Heeeeeeee Haaaaaaw!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, Russian-

When I want any crap outta you, I'll squeeze your neck.

A guy who works at a place where every FO pays $19,000. for the "privilege" of playing airline pilot needs to clean up his own stable before talking about someone else's.

And how about the rest of you- what have you done for the Industry lately? Stood tall and refused concessions? Drew the line on scope clauses? Refused to fly RJ's for less than Mesa? Refused to fly 100 seat airplanes for wages that would make an RJ Captain blush? Told your company to do the right thing and hire the pilots whose gates and routes you bought? How about suggested a fair integration policy with the pilots of the carrier you are now merged with? Did you offer them a deal that you would consider fair if you were a pilot on the other airline's seniority list?

Or did you instead get on here and whine and cry about Airtran taking one OAL pilot per installed jumpseat, and making a walk-up pass available to you on the spot if you weren't the first OAL pilot?

Some of you clowns must have permanent epaulet imprints on your back pockets.


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[jc3]

Thanks for all the advice, I guess I'll need to work on my jumpseating terminology for Ty!

 

[-9Capt]

Guess you missed the sarcasm?...:nuts:

I got your sarcasm, somewhat lame.

Since when does the capt have authority over only one seat?

 

[gooseman13]

Is it appropriate for the captain to exercise his authority to kick off a passenger because the pax says he "paid for the jumpseat" but actually paid for a walk up pass?

 

[:-)]

Tanks for the hedz up ty. I'll make sure to use the correct terminology the next time I come aboard.

For what it's worth, I'm happy to pay $25 for a walkup pass. It beats the he1l out of sitting in the boarding lounge watching the big silver bird taxi off with lots of empty seats and me not in one of them. I'd much rather pay for a walk up pass than wait for the next flight and find that once again, some "connection" dude took the jumpseat after I stood there waiting for three freakin hours.

Mr. Happy

 

[Ty Webb]

Is it appropriate for the captain to exercise his authority to kick off a passenger because the pax says he "paid for the jumpseat" but actually paid for a walk up pass?

Paying passenger, jumpseater, or pass rider, you'd better believe it. The Captain is the final authority on who rides and who doesn't.

And, now back to more important matters-

What have you done for the Industry lately? Stood tall and refused concessions? Drew the line on scope clauses? Refused to fly RJ's for less than Mesa? Refused to fly 100 seat airplanes for wages that would make an RJ Captain blush? Told your company to do the right thing and hire the pilots whose gates and routes you bought? How about suggested a fair integration policy with the pilots of the carrier you are now merged with? Did you offer them a deal that you would consider fair if you were a pilot on the other airline's seniority list?


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[Lowrider717]

, but the reality is that AirTran policy on this is still better than what we presently have with Delta. I agree completely with you that it negatively impacts recip agreements, as I heard we would have had unlimited with Southwest by now if we didn't have the $25 charge policy in effect.

Where have you been, down in Margaritaville smokin the company weed with Ty? Delta extended us the courtesy of multiple jumpseat last month. Yeah thats right multiple "jumpseat" , not 1st jumpseater rides free and everyone after that gets a free walk up pass. Multiple "jumpseat".

 

[Ty Webb]

That's great, but until the gate monkeys get the word, and the Delta AND DCI crews make sure that jumpseaters aren't left behind, there's a lot of room for improvement all over ATL.

I actually tried to jumpseat on ASA the other day, trying to get home an hour early, and the idiot behind the podium didn't understand the "new" system . . . never "activated" me as a standby, and I never got called for the flight. I really didn't care, since I would rather sit in Business class on my own airline's flight an hour later, but I thought I'd give it a whirl on ASA, and regardless of how many jumpseaters they take on paper, that RJ left, with me and a SWA pilot standing there.

But go ahead, complain about our policy . . . I'm all ears.


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[400ADude]

That's great, but until the gate monkeys get the word, and the Delta AND DCI crews make sure that jumpseaters aren't left behind, there's a lot of room for improvement all over ATL.

I actually tried to jumpseat on ASA the other day, trying to get home an hour early, and the idiot behind the podium didn't understand the "new" system . . . never "activated" me as a standby, and I never got called for the flight. I really didn't care, since I would rather sit in Business class on my own airline's flight an hour later, but I thought I'd give it a whirl on ASA, and regardless of how many jumpseaters they take on paper, that RJ left, with me and a SWA pilot standing there.

But go ahead, complain about our policy . . . I'm all ears.


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OK, you're policy is garbage.

 

[Wesb737fo]

400Adude,

OK, so the policy is garbage. I don't commute, but tell me what Delta would say to me if the available jumpseat was taken and I wanted to get a ride?

 

[Kharma Police]

OK, you're policy is garbage.

If you are who you say you are, than you shouldn't have a problem with our policy because you can't jumpseat on us in the first place.

 

[USARET]

This horse is dead! If you don't get the policy your too stupid to utilize it anyway. Lets move on to more important matters. Speaking of which... Hey Ty, it's about time for a Flora Bama run isn't it?

 

[elag777]

I got your sarcasm, somewhat lame.

Since when does the capt have authority over only one seat?

OK untwist your "y" fronts get off your high horse and chill out a bit. The point was I was twisting a old argument over who the owns the jumpseat, Capt or Company, and the fact that FL has only one. When the door is open it is a different matter. It is like a certain airline 's Capt trying to remove an ID 90 rider in uniform thinking he was jumpseating all because of who he worked for. Not up to him in that instance. Anyhoo all of this is getting to complicated, so if you didn't get it my bad, I am sure all appreciate FL's system when faced with the last flight out.
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[Lear70]

Where have you been, down in Margaritaville smokin the company weed with Ty? Delta extended us the courtesy of multiple jumpseat last month. Yeah thats right multiple "jumpseat" , not 1st jumpseater rides free and everyone after that gets a free walk up pass. Multiple "jumpseat".

Tell that to every DAL gate agent in the system.

It's been 3 weeks since that memo came out, the gate agents in BNA haven't heard anything about it and the gate agents in ATL keep deciding that we don't have ANY jumpseat agreement with DAL and that we can only write ID90 / ID75 passes through our company (even presented with the COMPANY letter stating we no longer have an ID90/75 pass agreement with DAL), as recently as last week on the entire B concourse.

Yes, I called the J/S committee.

It would be nice to have an official letter on DAL letterhead stating the unlimited jumpseat policy to drop off at the station manager's office in BNA and carry when trying to get out of ATL...

Elag, no big deal. I understood what you were trying to say, and I'm glad you appreciate it as we appreciate rides on other airlines when we can get them.

In this case, however, if someone were to actually approach the flight crew and start bashing them for having to "pay for the jumpseat", I wouldn't blame the Captain one bit if he pulled him to the side, explained that it was still a courtesy, then kick him off the aircraft if he continued in his or her verbal abuse.

Pass riding is just as much a privilege as jumpseating; it does NOT entitle someone to give the crew a rash of crap for ANYTHING. It DOES entitle you to board the aircraft, sit there, and STFU, saying please and thank you for your soda and pretzels. You are NOT a full-fare passenger in this case and MOST crews wouldn't tolerate verbal abuse from a REVENUE passenger, much less a standby pass-rider. How far would that person be from going from verbal abuse to physical abuse? Not far, according to the research they present in the CRM classes.

Bottom line: CA's discretion rules. Period.

 

[Lowrider717]

I didn't read it as the jumper verbally abusing the Captain.

I read it as the Captain exersising his overblown ego and sense of self importance that he would rather pound his chest and say "I am Capt. Hear me Roar" than promote a sense of goodwill amongst us mere mortals.

 

[Lear70]

Having said that, if the jumpseat has been given out, and you bought a pass, don't get on my plane stating that you "paid to jumpseat", or I will return you whence you came from, allow you to collect your $25 back and you can wait for the next flight, or go try your luck over at Big D.

Maybe it's just a point of view, but if someone got on the aircraft and "STATED" to me that they just had to "pay to jumpseat", I'd take that as someone jumping our case over it.

If, however, you got on the aircraft, didn't understand the policy, and POLITELY ASKED why you had to, it would be an entire different story.

It's all in presentation and, in my opinion, Ty put it out there as someone starting a rash of crap over it once they got on board with a gate-purchased pass.

 

[instructordude]

One word: Don't commute!