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Go ahead and try that "unofficial Official walkout" and see how fast you lose your job! I will not support it unless it is legal. Remember the AA sick out. ASA mgt would sue and our union would have to pay.
 
BIGGOAT said:
Go ahead and try that "unofficial Official walkout" and see how fast you lose your job! I will not support it unless it is legal. Remember the AA sick out. ASA mgt would sue and our union would have to pay.
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Can't Sue if it ain't authorized by the UNION. How can they control the pilot group? Are they going to hold your hand? Do what YOU have to do and we will do what NEEDS to be DONE!!!!
 
AMANSWORLD said:
I think alot of is pure greed and power. And if anyone who looks at this companies past knows we will not take it from management, WE WILL NOT START NOW!!! --- I hope you heard this JA/BL!
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You are correct in that is is pure greed and power. But not from anyone in ALPA, it is greed and power from management. We are the most profitable regional airline in the business. We have one of the best pilot groups in the industry. I don't think that it is too much for the pilots to ask management to compensate us fairly for the contribution that we make to their bottom line.
 
Speedtape said:
Skywest is flying through Atlanta. ASA flies through Salt Lake. ASA is not going away. ASA's management may be going away. It's time for some more turnover at the aluminium palace. Fuel costs are coming down--rapidly. In regard to regional routes and markets shrinking, you must not be keeping up with the trends--it ain't happening, just the opposite! Large Turbo Props will make a comeback--in the 400 mile or less markets.

Explain why when mainlines gain ground against the LCC's that regional market and routes will shrink? Actually, the regionals are a mainline tactic against the LCC's. Regionals will not go away. They provide convenience and flexibility in gaining market share.
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Greetings..I was also told by the front desk staff at the Red Lion in SLC when I was there last that we will be adding 10 more rooms a night in Jan. So our flying is obviously growing in SLC. What a waste of money on hotel rooms when they could have just left the base open.

Take care
 
Tomct said:
Can't Sue if it ain't authorized by the UNION. How can they control the pilot group? Are they going to hold your hand? Do what YOU have to do and we will do what NEEDS to be DONE!!!!
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Tomct is right the union is untouchable. I feel a nasty cold coming on due to poor workings conditions, spread the word November 19, 2006 - That is a Sunday for those of you who are not sure what day it is. Also the most heavily travelled day in the US. Take cover !!!!
 
atrdriver said:
You are correct in that is is pure greed and power. But not from anyone in ALPA, it is greed and power from management. We are the most profitable regional airline in the business. We have one of the best pilot groups in the industry. I don't think that it is too much for the pilots to ask management to compensate us fairly for the contribution that we make to their bottom line.
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I agree with you 100%. Management is like a broken record or a used car salesman to me. They are broken beyond repair and need to be thrown out. And the product they are selling (complete BS) needs rammed where the sun does not shine.

November 19,2006 Sunday is the day.
 
rod farva said:
Won't happen. Guaranteed puss-out.
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It won't happen because it's a stupid idea. Even dumber is discussing it on a public forum. Just because ALPA isn't organizing it doesn't make it illegal. If you are going to be sick on that day, it would be in your best interest to have an ironclad "doctor's note".

I'm one of the biggest ALPA supporters at ASA, and I'll be the first to say this is a bad idea.
 
Done

:smash: Sunday 19th NOV 2006......Unofficial Official walkout!!!!!!:smash:
Guarantee mother would get hold of the 2 children, settled by late Tuesday/early Wednesday morning!
 
FmrFreightDog said:
It won't happen because it's a stupid idea. Even dumber is discussing it on a public forum. Just because ALPA isn't organizing it doesn't make it illegal. If you are going to be sick on that day, it would be in your best interest to have an ironclad "doctor's note".

I'm one of the biggest ALPA supporters at ASA, and I'll be the first to say this is a bad idea.
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:smash: Sunday 19th NOV 2006......Unofficial Official walkout!!!!!!:smash:

Has nothing to due with ALPA.
 
AsaLossPaywAlpa said:
:smash: Sunday 19th NOV 2006......Unofficial Official walkout!!!!!!:smash:

Has nothing to due with ALPA.
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If you think they cant get a court to force this website to disclose the names on here, your sadly mistaken.

Again i will say, if you want to get mad for what is happening at ASa direct it toward the ASA management and lawyers they pay to do this, not the ASA ALPA CNC or MEC for that matter.

Medeco
 
FmrFreightDog said:
Still illegal. Do whatever you want.
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Agree 100% illegal. Ask THe folks at Big D what happened when they quit picking up open time. ALPA had nothing to do with it. Big D went to court and got an injuction against the pilot group to force them to pick up open time. (yes, I know it sounds ridiculous to be forced to do something that was voluntary to begin with but it happened.) I want something to happen but this will not work!
 
Won't work b/c there's only like five guys on here talking about it and probably already had the day off anyway, hopefully they'll be fired. Get a life and go somewhere else if your so unhappy!
 
I got Turkey day off this year. I'm going to enjoy it. If they think they can call and junior man me they can...suck my butt.
 
goahead said:
Won't work b/c there's only like five guys on here talking about it and probably already had the day off anyway, hopefully they'll be fired. Get a life and go somewhere else if your so unhappy!
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Well I bet you would be real happy to have some of us fired so you can move up the list in senoirity. You have your opinion and I have mine. I feel that if the union (who I am not angry at) has exhausted its legal options in a pro-corporate america government then it maybe time for other alternatives. You obviously did not hear about Mesaba getting bentover. Unless you are a fan of being bentover (which you may) I suggest you may want to consider other alternatives. That is unless you are up to your eyeballs in debt, living with your parents and still trying to crack 1000 hours total time and cannot get hired elsewhere. Or you are just a company guy or for that matter someone who has no affliation with ASA. Which is it?
 
You know what go head I am sorry I did not read your avatar. It says you have 5500 hours and you may. How do you propose we get a contract in place? I am being serious? No one wants to strike or sick out we just want a fair contract so we can move on and plan our lives a little more accordingly...

Waiting for your input after all that is why this board exists is it not?
 
Allright man, I appreciate your professionalism and to be honest I think we all need to tell our reps what we want; I have and it's not what they are asking for. I am not a management pawn but I will say one thing that makes me believe them a tad more instead of our union pals, so far mostly everything that the company has said would happen if we didn't take it in the shorts has happened and everything our MEC has said won't happen has. I don't know for sure but I'm tired of loosing our shi_t and am ready to get this over. Growth will help out everyone and that's a fact, the really senior guys don't have anything to gain except pay and retirement but the other 75% of us have a ton to gain. My two cents.
 
The 19th of November is a Sunday, Thanksgiving is on Thursday the 23rd.
Lose means that you lost something, such as you are gonna lose your job if you get caught on a sick out. Loose means something is free from restraint or obligation, such as "I`m finally loose from ASA, they fired me". Lose, Loose..different meanings..look it up.
 
Medeco said:
If you think they cant get a court to force this website to disclose the names on here, your sadly mistaken.

Again i will say, if you want to get mad for what is happening at ASa direct it toward the ASA management and lawyers they pay to do this, not the ASA ALPA CNC or MEC for that matter.

Medeco
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Again, has NOTHING to due with alpa.

:smash: Sunday 19th NOV 2006......Unofficial Official walkout!!!!!!:smash:
 
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AsaLossPaywAlpa said:
Again, has NOTHING to due with alpa.

:smash: Sunday 19th NOV 2006......Unofficial Official walkout!!!!!!:smash:
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Again, if there is a mass pilot walkout on the 19th.....

First of all, you picked the wrong day. The busiest travel day of the year is the day before Thanksgiving. People don't get the whole week off for Thanksgiving, dumbass.

Second of all, ASA will seek disciplinary action. They will petition the courts to subpoena this website. They will find out who you are. Don't be stupid. Look no further than the Delta open time debacle. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for action, but it must be within the limits of the RLA. I know, it sucks, but that's the way it is. That's the way it was when you signed up to play the game, so don't turn around and bitch 5 years later that the green monster is too high or that the college football overtime rules suck. (I know, weak analogies at best....) You want to take action? Start flying by the book and let the inherent weaknesses in the system work for you. A wildcat sickout helps nobody and it does very little to prove your point. What are you going to do? Walk into the bathroom and scribble something on the stalls about how you walked out to prove your point? Very effective. At best, you'll get 5% of the pilots to walk out with you, and we have more than enough reserves to cover that. Hell, they have more pilots call in sick when Jimmy Buffett comes to town.

Bottom line, like I said before, do what you want. When I tell you this is ill-advised, I'm just trying to look out for you. You really don't want to be sitting there with a big-ass target on your back when ASA's management starts another witch hunt. Believe me, I've seen it.

The only thing a sick out will do is give the schedulers a bad day. I'll admit that, in and of itself, is an admirable goal, but is that really what you hope to achieve???

You say ALPA has nothing to do with it. What does that matter? Illegal is illegal, regardless of union involvement. If you really want to get down to brass tacks, calling in sick when you're not sick is fraud. Do it as a commuter from another state and it might be interpreted as a federal crime. ALPA has nothing to do with it, but it will be the ALPA volunteers that you so readily scoff at that will spend their unpaid time trying to beg, borrow, or steal your job back after you get caught and come crying to the union that you so readily crucify, screaming, "Greivance, greivance, greivance..."

Wanna call in sick on the 19th? Go right ahead. I guarantee you the company will be asking for a doctor's note. It's their right to do so. If you manage to convince enough idiots to call in sick with you, every pilot here will be expected to produce a doctor's note for every sick call.

Tell me again... who, exactly, are you hurting here????
 
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