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SWA, The Street's Love Fades

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satpak77 said:
FedEx and UPS require the FE written to be done prior to starting training also. They may even require it to get called for interview. Since no interview = no job, I suppose that if PFT also?

Mayo Clinic requires its MD's to be graduates of medical school. PFT?

If you shell out 10,000 for a 73 type, and get hired at SWA at age 35, you have 25 years of service life. Depending on what Kit Darby/internet/flightinfo discussion you read, your earnings at SWA with salary, stock options, etc, may exceed 3-5 million dollars.

Senior Capt salary is 150-200K. :D

So 25 years you are paying $400 a year for that type, or $1.10 a day, till age 60. That is the price of Sundae at McDonalds.

Someone please tell me why this is so hard. :confused: Where can I pay buck and a dime a day and receive a secure airline job, with 3-5 million dollars career earnings? Where do I sign up?

PFT? Call it what you want. This is not pay 50,000 to log 1900 SIC time at Gulfstream.

I and many others do NOT consider this PFT.
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You make too much sense for not having a dog in the fight!!!
 
canyonblue said:
I think Kelly is wrong here. The Management at the Legacies bitch slapped the pilots so hard that they will never fear them. The pilots showed their hand and proved that they would work for peanuts. Arpey, Tilton, Parker, Grinstein and Steenland are holding the chain, and will pull it. Otherwise, prove me wrong. There will be a bark, but no bite. God forbid we ever have to take a paycut, imagine how much farther down the Legacy rates would go. "get back what they feel they deserve", that time has come and gone. Why do you think "the street" loves the Legacies? Pilot costs that will never change.
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Back on topic here, I have to agree with Kelly's statement. I have a college buddy at American who tells me that they are absolutely trying to get as much of their 30% cut returned to them as possible, if not the whole thing. Not saying it will happen, but it sure is going to be hard for mgmt to justify the current pay when it seems they've turned the corner from their bleak days after 9/11. If my friend is to be believed, there is enough animosity at American to warrant a strike, if there is not some restoration of compensation.

I find it very amusing (after the nausea subsides, that is) that the media is somehow able to praise the legacies right now, given that half of them are either in bankruptcy or fresh out of it, surviving only by a combination of the liberal "gubment cheez hand-outs" and the outright thievery of legacies' management in taking pay and pensions away. Yes, these folks are to be emulated!
 
Back to our regularly scheduled thread, SWA stock is tanking cause:

1. Cost of Oil is below where it should be.
2. Capacity is down.
3. Legacies have started to get a handle on the cost issue.

OK, back to our regular schedule of pro-SWA-anitSWA.

Stay tuned for our Girls Gone Wild videoes!!!!!!!!

Oh, and whoever MRYFLYER is, grow a nut and post your profile. Elsewise, your the kid in your parents basement for all we know, and care...

Longhorn, how about canceling some of these wachjobs who flamebait without any profile info?
 
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MRYFLYER said:
Well you are right. I was paid by the military to learn to fly, my airline hired me and trained me after having been interviewed. But at SWA they won't interview you unless you shell out 7+K for a 737 type. What happens when they add a new type of airplane? Will everyone have to buy two type ratings in whatever they are flying? How about those schools that get rich off of SWA wannabes? I wonder if they are worried that the gravy train might be coming to an end when SWA stops hiring?

The domino effect of Texas Mental Midgets that are going to get sacked on this deal is large as say......Texas.
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I'll say it again. You sir are a complete ass! So how about slamming the Fed Ex guys next. After all, they had to "pay" to get a FE written!

Midge
Mods, can you get rid of this embarressment to the industry?
 
MRYFLYER said:
Well you are right. I was paid by the military to learn to fly, my airline hired me and trained me after having been interviewed. But at SWA they won't interview you unless you shell out 7+K for a 737 type. What happens when they add a new type of airplane? Will everyone have to buy two type ratings in whatever they are flying? How about those schools that get rich off of SWA wannabes? I wonder if they are worried that the gravy train might be coming to an end when SWA stops hiring?

The domino effect of Texas Mental Midgets that are going to get sacked on this deal is large as say......Texas.
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So, the truth comes out. He knows all about our hiring requirements, but claims he never got hired. He even knows how much it costs to get a 737 type! Busted!
Sorry, well no not really, you didn't get hired, but you know you can reapply in a year again! I'm sure you won't make it through again!
 
anywayyyyyyyy,
I bought LUV while it was on sale this week. Time to get some Delta stock at a buck a share too! Buy low. Sell high. Pretty simple, really.
 
Hugh Jorgan said:
anywayyyyyyyy,
I bought LUV while it was on sale this week. Time to get some Delta stock at a buck a share too! Buy low. Sell high. Pretty simple, really.
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Do not buy Delta stock until they emerge from bankruptcy. When they do, chances are a new stock will be issued and the old stock will be worthless. You will not be given new stock because you held the old stock.
 
Bosley said:
So, the truth comes out. He knows all about our hiring requirements, but claims he never got hired. He even knows how much it costs to get a 737 type! Busted!
Sorry, well no not really, you didn't get hired, but you know you can reapply in a year again! I'm sure you won't make it through again!
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How do I know about the SWA process? It is written on here several times a month. Unlike you I do read most of the stuff that passes through here. I haven't a clue who the hiring coordinator is at SWA but you were proud to know the names of all the airline hiring folks.

As for the cost. If you look at the thread previous to my statement the guy posted that he payed over 7K for his type. Other than that I haven't a clue what 737 type is on the open market. A friend flies a challenger and said they pay 20K for those types. I presume that the range is 7+ since that is the number I posted.

I have never enjoyed short haul 737 flying. Did about 48 months on it and would never go back. A good corporate job is better than 737 flying any day of the week.
 
MRYFLYER said:
What information are you looking for? Judging by your public info you are not sharing anymore than anyone else. How about dropping your name and file # like you buddy Bosley.

Should I start throwing you guys the "herb turd driver" moniker since he likes to use "Yo Nited"?

Get your own whackos in order.
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MRflicker, go get a life, stop PM'ing me.
 
Everyone is trying to get Mr. Kelly to jump out of his box. I see him sticking to the business plan, and doing what Southwest has always done. Wall Street wants you to run up a bunch of debt, declare bankruptcy, and stiff everyone you owe money to. Then they want you to come out of bankruptcy with a new stock symbol so they can cash in on the IPO. It's all about the pump and dump to them. They are all probably selling their Legacy stock right now while buying LUV at a discount. I'm sure they will be at club tonight laughing over brandy and cigars.
 
satpak77 said:
"Short haul flying" example :rolleyes:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA472

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA2553

more "short haul flying" examples :)

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL1117

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL2462
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Short haul ie 737 flying. Doesn't matter where you are going in it, it is uncomfortable, noisy and not that great a flying airplane. I don't know about the new ones but the 200's, 300's and 500's were not where you want to spend a long day. It is cramped, hot in the summer and cold in the winter-due to the door 1l being almost in the cockpit and that single pack on the APU was really lame for any use of a/c on the ground. What I love is that SWA has to dumb down the airplane because they are too cheap to adapt to new tech. Round dials on a glass display? How retro.
 
I don't know about the new ones but the 200's, 300's and 500's were not where you want to spend a long day
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Dude, Its about making money. Its about the 5th and the 20th of every month. Most guys at other carriers go for the bigger planes cus they happen to pay more. At SWA its all the same, baby! $$$$ I'm not f^cking the airplane, I'm just flying it.
 
SWA/FO said:
Dude, Its about making money. Its about the 5th and the 20th of every month. Most guys at other carriers go for the bigger planes cus they happen to pay more. At SWA its all the same, baby! $$$$ I'm not f^cking the airplane, I'm just flying it.
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You represent the change in the industry. Back in the day we hired pilots that like flying airplanes. Most of have small airplanes of our own that we tinkered with. Today it is the crowd that does this job without a care for what is strapped behind them. No finese on the controls, brakes or idea.

I still would not want to fly a 737 with the single pack operation on the APU. PP design by Boeing on that one.
 
MRYFLYER said:
Short haul ie 737 flying. Doesn't matter where you are going in it, it is uncomfortable, noisy and not that great a flying airplane. I don't know about the new ones but the 200's, 300's and 500's were not where you want to spend a long day. It is cramped, hot in the summer and cold in the winter-due to the door 1l being almost in the cockpit and that single pack on the APU was really lame for any use of a/c on the ground. What I love is that SWA has to dumb down the airplane because they are too cheap to adapt to new tech. Round dials on a glass display? How retro.
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If you work at SWA and you don't like how the airplanes are operated, you should know who you can talk to about that....

If you don't work at SWA and don't like how the airplanes are operated....why do you let it bother you?

Tejas
 

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