Judge blocks strike at Mesaba

[sf3boy]

Why anyone would want to stay at XJ under the current book is beyond me. Those that stay if new terms are imposed are just plain lazy and deserve the treatment that will be served to them by others in the industry.

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/fractional/netjets.html

They plan on hiring a bunch. First year FO will take home what a junior Saab CA will and a 5 year CA at Netjets will make more than anyone would ever make at XJ.

This is just one example. There are many more out there. Mesaba does not deserve to have any of the highly professional pilots they now employ. Offer your services to an outfit that will actually treat you decently and let the sorry excuse of an airline named Mesaba die.

 

[AvroGuy]

Some people just don't want to start at the bottom again. Even if they take a hit in the pocket book. it is what it is.

 

[Lear70]

I can't say I'm surprised. I pretty much expected it to go down this way. Now the big question is what will you guys do?

All eyes are definitely on you right now, and while you bear a responsibility to yourself and your family, you also bear a responsibility to the profession.

That's called being a PROFESSIONAL airline pilot, not just some guy who learned to fly and wears the uniform... something that ALPA forgot about a LONG time ago.

I don't know what Wychor or ALPA National will do about this. I certainly don't expect them to call for a strike that the labor board would deem "illegal", even though the judge's RULING is ILLEGAL per the RLA, but it doesn't really matter because, as was said earlier:

IF YOU STAY AT MSA UNDER THIS IMPOSED CONTRACT YOU HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF

The ONLY thing that would work is a massive refusal by no less than 60-70% of the pilot group, especially by the Captains, to come to work. So WHAT if the judge issues a contempt ruling. None of you will go to jail over it... ALPA gets fined, MSA shuts down or comes to an agreement right quick. If they shut down, the fine gets paid out of the MSA ALPA coffer, no big loss. If they come to an agreement, the fine gets paid out of your dues money for years to come which is no longer cut by 10, 15, or 20+%.

Anything else is rhetoric, including waiting for the appeal to yet another management-friendly judge pressured by local politics, taking 6 months to a year to even be heard and final.

There is a time for diplomacy and a time for action. Diplomacy is dead.

Good luck to all of you,,,

 

[ReverseSensing]

I just read the decision, and it is perhaps the most one-sided legal argument I've ever read.

Kishel's logic: Marrero's decision (NW FAs case) sets precedent. My 1113(c) decision allowing Mesaba to impose terms requires an injunction. Bizarre.

Here's the scary part: If Kishel's decision stands and becomes the precedent, ALL a company has to do is declare bankruptcy (sham as it was in Mesaba's case) and decide what concessions they need to reorganize. By Kishel's logic, whatever the company asks for and a judge agrees to becomes the concession labor has to accept, barring release to self-help by the NMB.

Kishel basically told the employees at Mesaba that if you don't like the concessions, too bad, having no job at all would be worse. So much for taking a principled stand.

 

[XJohXJ]

Why anyone would want to stay at XJ under the current book is beyond me. Those that stay if new terms are imposed are just plain lazy and deserve the treatment that will be served to them by others in the industry.

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/fractional/netjets.html

They plan on hiring a bunch. First year FO will take home what a junior Saab CA will and a 5 year CA at Netjets will make more than anyone would ever make at XJ.

I would love to work at NetJets, and I know they are a great company, but I can't move to one of their domiciles. Is there any chance they will ever allow their new hire pilots to commute from their current homes again?

 

[xjhawk]

here is the deal, if someone can find me a job that does not start out at 19 an hour, so i can pay my morgage, or find me some PIC time so i can go somewhere that pays better, including corporate, then fill me in, until then i thought my union would do a better job, apparaently following the rules and busting their a$$ was not enough, the corporate guys at NWA MAIR and mesaba must have had a better proposal to that judge......thats the only thing i can see what happened if i am to beleive my union reps.

my next question is this, what will ALPA national do to counter this? IF ALPA national will pay my morgage i will put in my Kiss my A$$ letter i am not working here anymore under these terms. but until then, i am not defaulting on my morgage. this said, i have a non airline interview tomorrow. Oh i am also looking at going fulltime military, which would be better than doing this crap.

mmm call my senator...what he going to do? he is also bought and paid for by carl polad.....ia m sure all the elected officails look and see how much he gave to their campaign

 

[Juan Trippe]

Let's hear it for the Regional Airline of the Year -- 1998!!!

Eight years later, and still flying strong!!!!! (right into the ground)

Red tails suck! I'm so glad I got out when I did!

Good luck to you all. Stand tall, or run like the wind and don't look back!

And, if you stand ... make those legal/acceptable write-ups as you see them.

Good luck guys & gals.

Another concerned observer.

 

[filejw]

Don't forget the throttles and A/c logbook as this seems to get every body's attention why you are waiting for the appeals process.

 

[W&BWiz]

Lear,

It's easy for you to run your mouth when life is pretty good where you are. Most people at Mesaba are working on going someplace else, but most people don't have so much disposable income to just walk away. They have people that rely on them. I find it much more honorable to feed your family and keep a roof over there head, then to try and point out what most airline pilots already know... WE ARE PROFESSIONAL!

 

[pacsky72]

if you quit, come to eagle, they need ya!

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