ASA grapevine..

[John Pennekamp]

I have flown both the -200 and the -700 as a captain for several thousand hours each. I am here to say the differences are huge.

Aside from the limitations, the profiles are different, the speeds on approach are different, the landing picture is different, and even the switches in the cockpit are different. You will not find this in any other dual qual type, such as the B757/767 or ATR 42/72.

Our own training department is opposed to dual qual because the IPs find it difficult. The fact that Skywest, Mesa and others do it and haven't had a wreck yet doesn't make it safe or wise.

 

[SSDD]

I fly both, and let me tell you, there are differences. Can we fly both? Obviously. Can we fly both safely? Not consistently. Whenever a guy changes types, those first few legs are questionable. You pray that nothing goes wrong.

Going from the 200 to the 700 is usually easier, except for the landings. The automation makes up for the lack of familiarity. But going from the 700 to the 200 is ugly.

A lot of guys think its cool, but they're just getting by.

 

[79%N1]

Like someone said, we own it, and management wants it. So let them buy it from us for something more important. I say, let them have that, and Pref Bidding, negotiate it for somethings we want.....AND LETS GET THIS DAMN THING DONE!!!!

 

[CFIT]

When is ASA's 5th year anniversary?

 

[John Pennekamp]

When is ASA's 5th year anniversary?

After we file for single carrier status, then hold a referendum for ALPA, then merge our seniority lists by DOH in accordance with the Allegheny-Mohawk decision. Hope you got at least 5 years if you want to be a captain, tough guy.

 

[goahead]

So before it was un safe to operate both aircraft but now if you get extra pay and rigs it's OK.




OK.......

If you would get your head out of your asz and re-read my post you would see that I am on the same side of the fence as you. Yes pay is a must but you and the rest of SKY wouldn't understand that.

 

[goahead]

Like someone said, we own it, and management wants it. So let them buy it from us for something more important. I say, let them have that, and Pref Bidding, negotiate it for somethings we want.....AND LETS GET THIS dang THING DONE!!!!

Agree

 

[scott hall]

whiners!

You guys make me sick. If SKYW pilots can be dual qualified I think ASA pilots should too. I have almost 100 hours in the CR2 now so I know what I'm talking about.

 

[FightingIrish]

Like someone said, we own it, and management wants it. So let them buy it from us for something more important. I say, let them have that, and Pref Bidding, negotiate it for somethings we want.....AND LETS GET THIS dang THING DONE!!!!

I agree. Give them this and PBS, and get it done.

 

[shamrock]

I agree. Give them this and PBS, and get it done.

And in exchange we get a working agreement that is inferior to the current one? No thanks. They're not offering anything so I don't care to listen. The idea of bargaining is to offer something they want for something we want, or so I've been told. The company can come up with an offer that includes some real improvements over what we have now (not one that simply dresses up what we already have in a new package) and then we can talk about dual qual and PBS.

Quid pro quo, Dr. Lecter.

 

[Tomct]

I fly both, and let me tell you, there are differences. Can we fly both? Obviously. Can we fly both safely? Not consistently. Whenever a guy changes types, those first few legs are questionable. You pray that nothing goes wrong.

Going from the 200 to the 700 is usually easier, except for the landings. The automation makes up for the lack of familiarity. But going from the 700 to the 200 is ugly.

A lot of guys think its cool, but they're just getting by.

Thanks for chimming in. It is good to hear from someone that is doing it. I for one agree with you! I have flown both and there are HUGE differences. I would not want to jump from one to the other, I think that it would be very dangerous! Just wait, someone will "Unfortunately" drive one into the ground and THEN the FAA will step in and set up a new way of doing things. How does the ole saying go..."FAA rules are writen ...in BLOOD!" We shall see!

 

[ASADriver]

Thanks for chimming in. It is good to hear from someone that is doing it. I for one agree with you! I have flown both and there are HUGE differences. I would not want to jump from one to the other, I think that it would be very dangerous! Just wait, someone will "Unfortunately" drive one into the ground and THEN the FAA will step in and set up a new way of doing things. How does the ole saying go..."FAA rules are writen ...in BLOOD!" We shall see!

Quit with the melodramatic BS. They are different, but if you are a competent pilot, you should be able to fly both without "driving one into the ground".

 

[ASARJMan]

Quit with the melodramatic BS. They are different, but if you are a competent pilot, you should be able to fly both without "driving one into the ground".

And we may agree to this drivel girl. But, it's gonna cost the company. Nothing free, but it's negotiable.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Medeco]

Quit with the melodramatic BS. They are different, but if you are a competent pilot, you should be able to fly both without "driving one into the ground".

go away!

 

[ASARJMan]

Looky heah boys & girls! It can be done! here me ASADrivel????

XJT contract extention
I just wanted to let guys that care know that our MEC has approved a contract extention. If ratified it will take effect on Dec 1st and be ammendable on Dec 1st 2010. It also contains a comprehensive charter flying section.

The pay rates are as follows.

(The first line is 145 pay, the second is 135 pay Sorry it's kinda hard o read)
YOS 12/1/04 12/1/05 12/1/06 12/1/07 12/1/08 12/1/09
1 57.28 58.71 60.18 61.68 63.38 65.28
1 50.63 51.90 53.20 54.53 56.03 57.71
2 58.99 60.46 61.97 63.52 65.28 67.24
2 52.14 53.45 54.78 56.15 57.71 59.44
3 60.77 62.29 63.85 65.45 67.24 69.25
3 53.72 55.07 56.44 57.85 59.44 61.23
4 62.58 64.15 65.75 67.39 69.25 71.33
4 55.32 56.71 58.12 59.58 61.23 63.06
5 64.47 66.08 67.73 69.43 71.33 73.47
5 56.99 58.42 59.88 61.37 63.06 64.95
6 66.40 68.06 69.76 71.51 73.47 75.67
6 58.70 60.17 61.67 63.21 64.95 66.90
7 67.72 69.41 71.15 72.93 74.94 77.19
7 59.86 61.36 62.90 64.47 66.25 68.24
8 69.75 71.50 73.28 75.12 77.19 79.50
8 61.66 63.20 64.78 66.40 68.24 70.29
9 71.84 73.64 75.48 77.37 79.50 81.89
9 63.51 65.10 66.73 68.39 70.29 72.40
10 74.00 75.85 77.75 79.69 81.89 84.35
10 65.42 67.05 68.73 70.45 72.40 74.57
11 76.22 78.13 80.08 82.08 84.35 86.88
11 67.38 69.06 70.79 72.56 74.57 76.81
12 78.51 80.47 82.48 84.54 86.88 89.48
12 69.40 71.13 72.91 74.74 76.81 79.11
13 80.86 82.88 84.96 87.08 89.48 92.17
13 71.48 73.27 75.10 76.98 79.11 81.48
14 83.29 85.37 87.50 89.69 92.17 94.93
14 73.63 75.47 77.35 79.29 81.48 83.93
15 84.95 87.08 89.25 91.49 94.01 96.83
15 75.10 76.98 78.90 80.87 83.11 85.61
16 86.65 88.82 91.04 93.32 95.89 98.77
16 76.60 78.52 80.48 82.49 84.77 87.32
17 88.39 90.60 92.86 95.18 97.81 100.74
17 78.13 80.09 82.09 84.14 86.47 89.06
18 90.15 92.41 94.72 97.09 99.76 102.76
18 79.70 81.69 83.73 85.82 88.20 90.85
EMB-145/135 First Officer
YOS 12/01/04 12/01/05 12/01/06 12/01/07 12/01/08 12/01/09
1 21.50 22.04 22.59 23.15 23.79 24.50
2 32.00 32.80 33.62 34.46 35.40 36.47
3 33.99 34.84 35.72 36.61 37.61 38.73
4 36.25 37.16 38.09 39.04 40.11 41.31
5 37.34 38.28 39.23 40.21 41.31 42.55
6 38.46 39.42 40.41 41.42 42.55 43.82
7 39.62 40.61 41.62 42.66 43.82 45.14
8 40.80 41.83 42.87 43.94 45.14 46.49