ASA grapevine..

[Airboss]

question from a guy who never flew the RJ, but how different can the -200 and the -700 be? How long a school is that? Do any regionals fly them both in the same category?

The 200 and 700 are like the 75/76 similar but different. The CRJ 700/900 are a lot more similar. Airlines like Mesa fly all 3 (possibly the same day), I believe at Skywest they keep to the same airplane per trip (3 or 4 days etc).
At ASA the differences class is a 1 day class, 8 hours.

 

[ASApuppy]

Someone counted 350 differences between the CR2 and the CR7. I have thousands of of hours in each. They are significant differences. The engines are FADEC on the 700, while cable operated on the 200. The bleeds are completely different. The 200 uses pnuematic TR's, while the 700 uses hydraulic. Many of the self tests are automated on the 700. Performance, well the 700 is like the 200 with 3 engines. Landings are a complete different animal. The 200 is quite consistant in making good landings, where as the 700 is a true art to do a greaser.

All that said, I do feel you can safely fly both. The things that would facititate that would be consoladating the POH's into one. I would want to fly both airplanes each month. It would be dangerous to be dual qual'd and then go a year without the other.

As for those wondering about getting LAX, I think you can bet on getting assigned LAX. On the last award, there were 8 openings for FO in LAX and nobody bid it and they did not JR Assign it, so the only solution is a new hire class. Plus the company does not have to pay moving expenses for new hires. Hopefully the company is being responsible and hiring out of So Cal and not So Tenn.

 

[goahead]

They are so similar, yes different operating systems but the pilot still does mostly the same things. If SWA and mainline (75/76) can fly those very different types then we can fly these two. I agree though recency is a must.

 

[ASADFW7]

Having flown both the 200/700 at ASA and the 3/5/7 at SWA there is not a safety problem but a line in the sand problem. Once the MEC decided it was not safe, when can they back down from that statement? Once they established the different payscales when can they go backwards to one rate. The problem is not in the operation of the aircraft, most pilots are capable, the problem is the line drawn in the sand. Who redraws it first at ASA, and a what costs do they go before it is too late for the good of the membership?

ASA MEC and membership has dug in on an issue that no one else has in the industry, is it smart? We will see, is it still in the best interest of the membership? No

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Who knows whats next.

We have a winner! This is it. They don't know. All they know is that we must take pay cuts to remain competitive, C concourse will be renovated in 2006, We are going to above 50% staffing on the ramp, they didn't have sex with that woman, and they actually voted for the war before they voted against it. They are nothing but doom and gloom'rs and can't wait for the Gang of 4 to jump in and try and sell us out. Management my a$$, all you have to do is go out on ramp 5 last night and there was 2 crews to work 9 simultaneous flights. They don't have a clue, except they know it is all the pilots fault, and every delay is crew related.

Dick

 

[sweptback]

Having flown both the 200/700 at ASA and the 3/5/7 at SWA there is not a safety problem but a line in the sand problem. Once the MEC decided it was not safe, when can they back down from that statement? Once they established the different payscales when can they go backwards to one rate. The problem is not in the operation of the aircraft, most pilots are capable, the problem is the line drawn in the sand. Who redraws it first at ASA, and a what costs do they go before it is too late for the good of the membership?

ASA MEC and membership has dug in on an issue that no one else has in the industry, is it smart? We will see, is it still in the best interest of the membership? No

Both Nelson and Drew (of course they are no longer here) were against dual qualification on the two airplanes. The current management is pro-dual qualification because that's what SkyWest wants.

The difference between the CRJ2/7 and the 757/767 is that great lengths were made during the design of the 757/767 to make sure things like cockpit height and landing attitude were as close as possible. I have never flown either obviously but I have heard they land about the same. The CRJ2/7 land completely different... and that's what would be the problem, not the system differences.

 

[goahead]

Are you kidding me? It's a ********************_in airplane, you not knowing the difference is apparently the problem.

 

[atrdriver]

Just look at a 50 coming down final, then look at a 700 coming down final. The 50 will be about 4 degrees nose down, while the 700 will be about 5 degrees nose up. That is a significant difference.

Then, since watching airplanes is what we all love anyway, compare a 75 and a 76. Both will be at the same attitude coming down final.
That is why ASA is against dual qual.

 

[Tarzan]

We have a winner! This is it. They don't know. All they know is that we must take pay cuts to remain competitive, C concourse will be renovated in 2006, We are going to above 50% staffing on the ramp, they didn't have sex with that woman, and they actually voted for the war before they voted against it. They are nothing but doom and gloom'rs and can't wait for the Gang of 4 to jump in and try and sell us out. Management my a$$, all you have to do is go out on ramp 5 last night and there was 2 crews to work 9 simultaneous flights. They don't have a clue, except they know it is all the pilots fault, and every delay is crew related.

Dick

Dick,
Don't hold back man! Tell us how you really feel about it.

 

[bluefly72]

My old college room mate just got a call from ASA for an interview in late September. The hiring is through attrition. I would be willing to bet that the new GECAS aircraft are replacing some of our current 50 seaters for some reason. I can't see them being growth aircraft.

Just got a call? In October? To go interview in September...hmmm.
I must be smoking something...

 

[jacksjj]

The class is Nov 8. Am I getting shipped to LA or what??? Not that I care, but ATL would be a tad more convenient. If that happens, realistically, any opinions on how long it would take to get back to ATL??

 

[CFIT]

Just look at a 50 coming down final, then look at a 700 coming down final. The 50 will be about 4 degrees nose down, while the 700 will be about 5 degrees nose up. That is a significant difference.

Then, since watching airplanes is what we all love anyway, compare a 75 and a 76. Both will be at the same attitude coming down final.
That is why ASA is against dual qual.

The 200 on final and on speed will be around 2.5 degrees below the horizon and the 700, same conditions, is usually right on the horizon. So the difference is very little. The only item of significance is the height of the flight deck when the mains touch down, and that is not too bad.

The only reason ASA (pilots) are against dual qual is because of ALPA. If the company threw a bunch of money at it, ALPA would say it's perfectly safe.

 

[goahead]

I'm a ASA CA and having flown both I think it's ludicrous to say we won't and its b/c of safety. Grow up your a pilot and act like one, you will fly what our company tells us to, they will train you accordingly b/c of a group of people called the FAA. Plus we have one of the best training departments in the industry.

 

[kikejavy]

I heard 48 people have resigned this month and the number is going to increase

 

[Grassstrippilot]

The class is Nov 8. Am I getting shipped to LA or what??? Not that I care, but ATL would be a tad more convenient. If that happens, realistically, any opinions on how long it would take to get back to ATL??

Unfortunately, in this industry you might as well get used to what isn't the "most convenient" for you, your family, etc. Pretty much Murphy's Law rules...if you want it, plan on not getting it. That way, for the times you do get something good, you'll feel like you won the lottery.

I think that the post above about no one bidding LA and new hires going there is probably on the money. As for getting back to ATL, well, guess that will largely depend on 1) how long LA is a domicile, 2) how soon the contract gets done and hiring picks up.

Good luck.