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Mesaba Court Ruling Part IV

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PCL_128 said:
The last offer that MSA ALPA made to the company included a 5% reduction in payrates with graduated snap-backs as aircraft return to the property.
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I read this in the MSP StarTribune....

"Mesaba is ready to impose labor cuts of 17.5 percent; the three unions have offered cuts of 15 percent."

(Source: StarTribune - http://www.startribune.com/535/story/738698.html)

Is this collectively or each union offering 15%???
 
xjhawk said:
okay here is the deal, the creditors are threatening to liquidate and i think the judge beleives them (that they will go for a chapter 7). This is a farce, why would the creditors want liquidation? Mesaba owns nothing to liquidate! yeah, they are going to get millions for....a pilot contract.....some gate agents and rampies....oh yeah, the ramp carts and trucks....i'll buy one of those red trucks for a couple hundred bucks! they are so old and beat up.....my point is there is nothing to liquidate.....and if the judge is dumb enough to beleive it......oh, i am sure he is promised something to stike us down yet again......thats how our bankruptcy laws work.....oh, does anyone know if we can appeal again to a fair court which is higher? and what premise would we be not allowed a strike? that we are too crucial to the nations flying? i doubt that......
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Maybe they have to force the liquidation of XJ, in order to go after the big fish ........ MAIR!!
If you had spent the last year watching from the sidelines as these idiots spent millions on lawyers and got nowhere, yet you hadn't been paid for goods/services provided, you would be pissed too!! Obviously, they are sick of the game and are going to bring it to a close, unless Kishel does it first. I think they feel that they have a chance at MAIR's money and it may be the deciding factor in all of this.
 
TAWS said:
Maybe they have to force the liquidation of XJ, in order to go after the big fish ........ MAIR!!
If you had spent the last year watching from the sidelines as these idiots spent millions on lawyers and got nowhere, yet you hadn't been paid for goods/services provided, you would be pissed too!! Obviously, they are sick of the game and are going to bring it to a close, unless Kishel does it first. I think they feel that they have a chance at MAIR's money and it may be the deciding factor in all of this.
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Now you're on to something.

So, riddle-me-this: If XJ's so-called deadline will be missed, how is it possible a TA will solve thier problems... it would take at least two weeks to conduct roadshows/voting of this TA, all the time at current book. Suggestions?
 
TAWS said:
Maybe they have to force the liquidation of XJ, in order to go after the big fish ........ MAIR!!
If you had spent the last year watching from the sidelines as these idiots spent millions on lawyers and got nowhere, yet you hadn't been paid for goods/services provided, you would be pissed too!! Obviously, they are sick of the game and are going to bring it to a close, unless Kishel does it first. I think they feel that they have a chance at MAIR's money and it may be the deciding factor in all of this.
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Also in the Pioneer Press Friday 10/13/06:
Creditors protest Mesaba payments to MAIR
The unsecured creditors' committee of bankrupt Mesaba Airlines has asked the U.S. Bankruptcy Court to reject a claim by the carrier's parent company, Minneapolis-based MAIR Holdings, that more than $122 million it received from Mesaba was properly paid, according to court documents filed Wednesday. The creditors' committee told the court that roughly $11 million in management payments and $5 million in dividend payments that Eagan-based Mesaba made to MAIR in the 3½ years before its bankruptcy filing were "intended to defraud" the airline's creditors. The committee seeks to have the money returned to Mesaba's estate. In the filing, the committee also said that MAIR is not entitled to the return of $31.7 million in payments it made to Mesaba because they should be treated as an equity investment.
 
Workin'Stiff said:
I read this in the MSP StarTribune....

"Mesaba is ready to impose labor cuts of 17.5 percent; the three unions have offered cuts of 15 percent."

(Source: StarTribune - http://www.startribune.com/535/story/738698.html)

Is this collectively or each union offering 15%???
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15% is the proposed cut from each union, but it includes payrates, work rules, benefits, changes to vacancy language, etc... The actual cut to the rates is only 5%.
 
Geez, it really kind of makes you wonder if it's even worth it... I mean, great, you're only taking a 5% pay cut, but with all of the work rule changes, bennies, etc, you might as well find a different place to work...
 
Detroitpilot22 said:
Just prove me wrong instead
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Why aren't you interested in talking to one of your reps about this?

I am quite sure that the MEC will not put a TA in front of the pilot group that doesn't have complete scope protection. I am equally sure that they will not put out a TA that has payrates identical to the imfamous "last, best, final offer".

Remeber, ALPA is only as strong as it's members resolve. And if you vote YES to a contract you don't think is acceptable, you have no one to blame but yourself.

As for XJ, if they didn't have a union, mgmt would have imposed what they wanted at least a year ago, probably much earlier.

Turbo.
 
He's not interested in talking to one of his reps because that would be too much work. But I am sure when the sh*t starts to hit the fan over there, and it will, he'll be the biggest trash talker of ALPA.
 
TurboAWD said:
Why aren't you interested in talking to one of your reps about this?

I am quite sure that the MEC will not put a TA in front of the pilot group that doesn't have complete scope protection. I am equally sure that they will not put out a TA that has payrates identical to the imfamous "last, best, final offer".

Remeber, ALPA is only as strong as it's members resolve. And if you vote YES to a contract you don't think is acceptable, you have no one to blame but yourself.

As for XJ, if they didn't have a union, mgmt would have imposed what they wanted at least a year ago, probably much earlier.

Turbo.
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Talking to the reps can only do so much. Either they dont know what will be proposed or negotiated. Or if they do know they cant say anyway because of confidentiality. It is frustrating because we pilots never REALLY know what is going on. I feel out of the loop about what is actually accomplished.
 
Smarta$$ said:
Talking to the reps can only do so much. Either they dont know what will be proposed or negotiated. Or if they do know they cant say anyway because of confidentiality. It is frustrating because we pilots never REALLY know what is going on. I feel out of the loop about what is actually accomplished.
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It isn't hard to figure out, just think of every possible you can be screwed and apply. You see they have to find a way to get you to work for less and not quit. They have been pretty effective so far at other companies. ALPA is a business as well, they function in their best interests, and sometimes that's not your own.
 
I see ALPA using their position on the UCC to help direct strategy. You think it's all coincidence that timelines work like they do.
I hope you know that even if you liquidate and walk away, that the regional which does the work will have better pay and work rules than you would have. The sad thing is that the new regional wouldn't have big red skimming as much off the top.
When it's all said and done, I hope you stand strong, as ALL the others are watching - even if it means liquidation! You'll move on and find work elsewhere, usually for the better. Mngt uses starting afresh somewhere else as a scare tactic - one day you'll look back and laugh, while still being able to hold your head up high. NWA isn't out of BK yet, so they are going to play this out to the end, just to set a precedent! They might even go back to their guys and take the pensions.
If only one major had a group of Pilots that was willing to fight, NWA wouldn't have smelled blood in the water and it wouldn't have gone this way for you guys.
I hope SkyWest guys are watching, because as inadequate as ALPA is, at least they are putting up a fight and mngt can't just impose what they want, just because it's monday, and their coffee sucked!

Don't disappoint us by passing a steamy TA at the last minute boys!!

From a furloughed XJ'r.
 
Wonder if today will finally be THE day. Best of luck XJ'ers. Fcuk Spanjers.
 
I like the hat on kmox's kid. I actually took my pin off my hat and now use it as target practice. I hope all the current XJer's stand strong and not take it in the shorts. STFD

Ex- XJer
 
easydoesit said:
kmox

hey we need an updated picture of your son! Have you had time to create any more trouble makers?
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Nope, no more troublemakers...he woke up with Pink Eye yesterday...sweet. Kinda reminded me what I used to look like after my fourth highspeed in a row.
 
PINK EYE??

What kind of playground are you taking him to? The one close to that strip club by the airport? ;)

GOOD LUCK TODAY GUYS!!
 

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