Big annoncement by CAL tomorrow

[79%N1]

ASA is downgrading captains?

Aaaah, under the current new "fleet plan", there will be captains downgrading. The loss of 13 airplanes to Skywest and all the ATR fleet will result in nearly 100 captains downgrading, not accounting for any attrition.

 

[wms]

Unless the CAL pilots have given in on scope which is not likely, the Q-400s will have seats removed or this is just another untrue rumor.

 

[ackattacker]

Unless the CAL pilots have given in on scope which is not likely, the Q-400s will have seats removed or this is just another untrue rumor.

CAL scope only applies to jets...

 

[Weasil]

Rumor is several large aircraft and Australia flying....

This is an Australian company - I have friends who fly there.

I thought SKW declined to participate in that due to the short duration of the contract...

This is true, I asked JA about this flying and that was the exact answer he gave me. But he was referring to the jet flying coming from XJT - he did say that they are still looking at Q400s or something similar for CAL (ATRs maybe).

 

[RP170]

You guys ruined your regional industry by accepting substandard wages when your airline WASN'T in BK or under the threat. That is the difference, and you know it. Strike two dork..... Sounds like you forgot you started this whole downhill slide for the regionals. Up to 99 seats for 50 seat wages? You have got to be kidding me? You were on the verge of BK, right? The judge was ready to pull the plug with the creditors, right? Right?

And, I haven't been hiding, but rather waiting for another SkyWest screw up. I bet I will see it soon....

Bye Bye--General Lee

Have to agree with the General on this one. What Skywest has done is below even the Mesa level. At least Mesa has a 90 seat pay rate, albeit not that good of one. Thanks to Skywest, I'm afraid that we would have been pressured to fly the E175's we are getting at 50 or 70 seat rates if we wouldn't have already had a 90 seat pay scale in place (which the 175's will be flown for). They have now lowered the bar for management to use against companies in future contract negotiations and I hope each and every one of their pilots realize that. Each regional will hear, "Well you do know Skywest operates those same a/c for 50 seat wages, don't you?" when at the negotiation table.

And what arguements do Skywest pilots have against this? I don't believe there are any. Thank you Skywest.

 

[Meiguy]

Have to agree with the General on this one. What Skywest has done is below even the Mesa level. At least Mesa has a 90 seat pay rate, albeit not that good of one. I'm afraid that we would have been pressured to fly the E175's we are getting at 50 or 70 seat rates if we wouldn't have already had a 90 seat pay scale in place (which the 175's will be flown for), thanks to Skywest. They have now lowered the bar for management to use against companies in future contract negotiations and I hope each and every one of their pilots realize that. Each regional will hear, "Well you do know Skywest operates those same a/c for 50 seat wages, don't you?" when at the negotiation table.

And what arguements do Skywest pilots have against this? I don't believe there are any. Thank you Skywest.

It sounds like your a Chautauqua pilot from your post....Aren't the fo's over there flying 170/175/190 or whatever for 50 seat pay. Could that also be part of the problem or do fo's not count when considering compensation. But your right about what will be said at the negotiating table when trying to raise rates. However, I don't think skywest will be the only airline brought up when this section of the contract comes up for negotiating.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You guys ruined your regional industry by accepting substandard wages when your airline WASN'T in BK or under the threat. That is the difference, and you know it. Strike two dork..... Sounds like you forgot you started this whole downhill slide for the regionals. Up to 99 seats for 50 seat wages? You have got to be kidding me? You were on the verge of BK, right? The judge was ready to pull the plug with the creditors, right? Right?

And, I haven't been hiding, but rather waiting for another SkyWest screw up. I bet I will see it soon....

Bye Bye--General Lee

Welll Jenpee,
We may have ruined the regional industry, but your greed and unbelieveable shortsightedness created it(regional growth). So slither back to the hole you just emerged from and have a rodent or two for lunch.
Bottom feeder
PBR

 

[Mercyful Fate]

The General will be voting NO!!!


Its all just a bunch of stupid RJs you didnt care about 7-10 years ago, so why do we keep seeing you comment on the regionals that dont mean d*ck to you big boys..

 

[RP170]

It sounds like your a Chautauqua pilot from your post....Aren't the fo's over there flying 170/175/190 or whatever for 50 seat pay. Could that also be part of the problem or do fo's not count when considering compensation. But your right about what will be said at the negotiating table when trying to raise rates. However, I don't think skywest will be the only airline brought up when this section of the contract comes up for negotiating.

Yes this is true and is a major area of concern in our negotions which begin in April. Doesn't Skywest also have one 50 seat pay rate for FO's? And if you want to compare hourly rates, Republic is around $22.50/hr for your first year. What is Skywest's?

 

[General Lee]

Welll Jenpee,
We may have ruined the regional industry, but your greed and unbelieveable shortsightedness created it(regional growth). So slither back to the hole you just emerged from and have a rodent or two for lunch.
Bottom feeder
PBR

Wow. What is that I hear? Clapping? You just won the Academy Award for MOST DRAMATIC Speech ever. Congrats! Dumb Bass. Bottom Feeder? That is why we got you guys----to get the feed with the lowest pay for their pilots on larger RJs. Ron Reber is jumping up and down for joy, since he and Jerry get the difference. Enjoy that.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

The General will be voting NO!!!


Its all just a bunch of stupid RJs you didnt care about 7-10 years ago, so why do we keep seeing you comment on the regionals that dont mean d*ck to you big boys..

Just like you won't be voting for Hillary.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SkyNation]

At least Mesa has a 90 seat pay rate, albeit not that good of one.
Each regional will hear, "Well you do know Skywest operates those same a/c for 50 seat wages, don't you?" when at the negotiation table.
And what arguements do Skywest pilots have against this? I don't believe there are any. Thank you Skywest.

and yet our pilots make more than Mesa pilots, even on our 'inferior' payscale. JA found a way to pay us more outside of hourly rates. Our scheduling, Perf Rewards, rigs, etc., in the end add up to a point where we earn more. That way, when JA goes shopping for business, and he can advertise the hourly rate (which, BTW, has a whole lot more in it than pilot pay), and compete.

We have fought/will continue to fight for a split rate or blended rate. However, as long as we make more in the end, I don't see what everyone is moaning about. Maybe you should find a way to make more outside of hourly rates as well. It's all part of competition, and those who cling to outdated methods and resist innovation will surely fail.

haters, pile on!!!!!!!!!

 

[bvt1151]

Yes this is true and is a major area of concern in our negotions which begin in April. Doesn't Skywest also have one 50 seat pay rate for FO's? And if you want to compare hourly rates, Republic is around $22.50/hr for your first year. What is Skywest's?

I really wouldn't start comparing CHQ's FO rates. Mesa and GoJets are the only ones lower. Skywest destroys Chautauqua in FO rates.

 

[dogtown]

It sounds like your a Chautauqua pilot from your post....Aren't the fo's over there flying 170/175/190 or whatever for 50 seat pay.

Doesn't Expressjets FOs fly 50 seat A/C for 37 seat pay? I'm not trying to be argumentative here but everyone needs to understand that a RAH FO has no say in what AC he/she flies. The min. time, interview et cetera is the same for all and the company just puts you where they need you at the time. Also a FO can’t bid for another A/C until upgrade; so a single pay rate on the FO side is the only fair option. The rate should however reflect the % the 170 makes up of our fleet and be increased accordingly. IE if 30% of our fleet is 170s then:
Fair rate for 145: Y
Fair rate for 170: Y+15%
Then FO pay-rate: [Yx70+(Y+15%)x30]/100

 

[blackbox]

Yes this is true and is a major area of concern in our negotions which begin in April. Doesn't Skywest also have one 50 seat pay rate for FO's? And if you want to compare hourly rates, Republic is around $22.50/hr for your first year. What is Skywest's?

its 19.02....but what is second year pay? SKywest is 34.50 vs. 30 at RAH (according to airlinepilotcentral.com)

 

[Superpilot92]

Doesn't Expressjets FOs fly 50 seat A/C for 37 seat pay? I'm not trying to be argumentative here but everyone needs to understand that a RAH FO has no say in what AC he/she flies. The min. time, interview et cetera is the same for all and the company just puts you where they need you at the time. Also a FO can’t bid for another A/C until upgrade; so a single pay rate on the FO side is the only fair option. The rate should however reflect the % the 170 makes up of our fleet and be increased accordingly. IE if 30% of our fleet is 170s then:
Fair rate for 145: Y
Fair rate for 170: Y+15%
Then FO pay-rate: [Yx70+(Y+15%)x30]/100

Just to correct you. XJT FOs get 50 seat pay no matter what plane we fly. The Capts have SRJ pay and LRJ pay. Carry on!

 

[blackbox]

Aaaah, under the current new "fleet plan", there will be captains downgrading. The loss of 13 airplanes to Skywest and all the ATR fleet will result in nearly 100 captains downgrading, not accounting for any attrition.

Sh*t!....are they gonna have to furlough? I hope not. My friend just got on there after he left TSA because they were getting screwed by gojets.....maybe its my friend thats bad luck...haha....but seriously I hope things turn around at ASA

 

[zawillif]

Not to bring this thread back on topic, but I notice the "announcement" hasn't come out yet. Lance Uppercut is there a time that this is supposed to come out?

 

[BoilerUP]

I was thinking the same thing, but it seems most major announcements aren't made until late in the afternoon or just after the markets close after 1630 eastern.

 

[Meiguy]

Doesn't Expressjets FOs fly 50 seat A/C for 37 seat pay? I'm not trying to be argumentative here but everyone needs to understand that a RAH FO has no say in what AC he/she flies. The min. time, interview et cetera is the same for all and the company just puts you where they need you at the time. Also a FO can’t bid for another A/C until upgrade; so a single pay rate on the FO side is the only fair option. The rate should however reflect the % the 170 makes up of our fleet and be increased accordingly. IE if 30% of our fleet is 170s then:
Fair rate for 145: Y
Fair rate for 170: Y+15%
Then FO pay-rate: [Yx70+(Y+15%)x30]/100

Like superpilot said all fo's get 50 seat pay regardless of whether they fly the 37 or 50 seater. The 37 seater makes up a pretty small percentage of our fleet size as well. And while we do have captains assigned to the 37 seater they receive the 50 seat pay when they fly the 50 seater. Which is the majority of the time. It does depend on which base your at, but I maybe fly the 37 once or twice a month maybe. And I'm based in EWR. In CLE it may be a higher percentage. So why should the captain pay increase and not the fo's on the planes your talking about. Everyone agrees that the bigger the plane the more money one should make. This should apply to the FO's as well as the captains. That was the point I was making.

 

[dogtown]

So why should the captain pay increase and not the fo's on the planes your talking about. Everyone agrees that the bigger the plane the more money one should make. This should apply to the FO's as well as the captains. That was the point I was making.

Yeah I know your FOs get paid 50 seat rate regardless, it's the same here. It just so happens that in your case it is sometimes to your advantage,while for us it is an advantage to a lot of our senior FO (who fly the 135/140) and a disadvantage to our 170 FOs (most of which are junior).
To answer your question though the difference (and the reason I think we should have one FO pay scale) is that our CA get to decide which AC they upgrade to, the FO's are just assigned an AC and under our contract not allowed to change AC till upgrade. (Actually the contract prevents training cost when there is no pay increase.) Therefore, IMO, a blended rate between the two AC should be reflected on all FO pay. Seems fair to all parties don't you think?

 

[imacdog]

I think the your FOs should be able to bid whatever aircraft they can hold, and have a separate payrate for the larger aircraft. They also shouldn't have to sign a training contract for agreeing to work there.

 

[www.]

We have fought/will continue to fight for a split rate or blended rate.

And your fighting consists of what.

And that 18 month rate is how old now.

And JA sat down with your pilots when.

And JA went from a seat range to CL-65 for payrates how long ago.

And you guys turned down, which I have to give you credit, a 1 1/2% rate increase and JA was back negotiating when. With whom.

Would you like me to continue.

 

[Soverytired]

http://computerworld.com/action/art...articleId=9003995&taxonomyId=17&intsrc=kc_top

This isn't the big announcement, is it?

Continental has bought a huge bomb shelter 50 feet underground, and has been putting all the equipment in it to run the airline. They ran their first "live" test yesterday.

Isn't it nice to know that if the "big one" gets dropped, you'll still be expected to report for work at Continental. Nuclear fallout is no excuse for not coming to work.

(And no, your lead underwear isn't subsidized by the company.)

(better work on that in the next contract)


And I love this quote:

"Stelly is not sure to what extent Continental will make use of some of the bunker's more eccentric facilities, such as 1,000-pound concrete-filled blast doors, jail cells and gun ports."

 

[RP170]

its 19.02....but what is second year pay? SKywest is 34.50 vs. 30 at RAH (according to airlinepilotcentral.com)

Yes you are correct. $30.27 is second year pay at RAH. $35 vs. $36 for third year at RAH and Skywest. We are talking major differences here aren't we? RAH makes $4/hr more in first year pay and Skywest makes $4/hr more in second year pay. Per diem is $1.60/hr at both. Looks like a wash to me for FO rates. Now captain pay is a different story.

 

[SkyNation]

Would you like me to continue.

what's your point? we try to get things like pay increases and QOL improvements just like everyone else. some we win, some we don't, just like everyone else.

in the end we make more, have a better QOL (my opinion), and have better prospects for the future.

would you like me to continue?

on second thought, nevermind. I've heard the rants, they are duly noted.

when you show me a regional that has better total compensation, QOL, bottom line, and prospects for the future, I'll be interested.

 

[www.]

what's your point? we try to get things like pay increases and QOL improvements just like everyone else. some we win, some we don't, just like everyone else.

in the end we make more, have a better QOL (my opinion), and have better prospects for the future.

would you like me to continue?

on second thought, nevermind. I've heard the rants, they are duly noted.

when you show me a regional that has better total compensation, QOL, bottom line, and prospects for the future, I'll be interested.

Well junior, it's like this. I do not work for a Regional.

When you say you "make more", what are you comparing. Total W2? How many hours does the example pilot fly? How many TAFB hours is he exposed to? How many days off in a month does said pilot get?

And about the rants, if your numbers are correct on your screen name you haven't been around long enough to rant. If you have to do it, do it to your mommy. She's use to it by now.

 

[Cardinal]

"Stelly is not sure to what extent Continental will make use of some of the bunker's more eccentric facilities, such as 1,000-pound concrete-filled blast doors, jail cells and gun ports."

That's pretty darn cool, right there. :uzi:

 

[Gr82Aviate]

And your fighting consists of what.

And that 18 month rate is how old now.

And JA sat down with your pilots when.

And JA went from a seat range to CL-65 for payrates how long ago.

And you guys turned down, which I have to give you credit, a 1 1/2% rate increase and JA was back negotiating when. With whom.

Would you like me to continue.

You're giving JA too much credit, they actually offered a whopping 1.2%(which works out to a generous .2% per year, for the last 6 years with no COLA)!

 

[www.]

You're giving JA too much credit, they actually offered a whopping 1.2%(which works out to a generous .2% per year, for the last 6 years with no COLA)!

Thank you. I stand corrected.

When did we start comparing "total compensation" instead of rates? I could understand it if someone had a contract and the company was required to pay it out. If someone had specific language that protected them from a company removing a program. I guess it's just being uneducated in the real world when it comes to the airline business.

Hand shakes don't work in this industry any more. They went out with Gordon and Herb several years ago.