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Deuce130

Deuce130

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I'm heading to the AOR in the near future and just got done reading some of the standards for the 332nd AEW. Not sure whether to laugh or cry! Just goes to show you that we've been doing this thing for way too long. It reads like a group of groundpounders got together and thought of everything they could do to piss aircrew off and make life as difficult as can be while you're on the ground. From the stories I hear, it sounds like the base support people don't know there's a fight going on outside the perimeter, they think the only reason they're there is to hand out speeding tickets, enforce uniform violations, and make sure everyone's got their reflective belt. Far cry from K2 and J-Bad in late 2001, early 2002. Never thought I'd call that time period the "good ol' days" of the GWOT.
 
Are you authorized to access this site?? Sir, I'll need you to come to the Comm squadron between the hours of 1315 and 1318Z to reset the PIN on your CAC card. Be sure to bring a printout of your Form 41 (SAAR) and your COMSEC test. Once you bring that in, we'll think of some reason why you have to come back (most likely we'll be "training"), and we'll make sure your account locks up thirteen times. We can unlock it with a few keystrokes over the phone, but we'll still need you to come in (again, between the hours of 1315 and 1318Z, but only on Wednesdays for this type of issue) so we can verify your height and weight. While you're here, please fill out a Customer Service questionnaire. However, if it's negative, I assure you I'll shred it before it reaches my First Shirt. Hah, who am kidding?? If my First Shirt sees it, he'll just toss it, too! Can't have that on his EPR and all. Enjoy your stay here in the AOR Mr. Grumpy Pilot-man!

And stop hoggin' all the weights. I sit on my ass for 8 hours a day over here (well, 6.5 counting lunch), and when I need to let off steam I go to the gym! All the "aircrew" seem to think they can do what they want over here. This place would be all right (along with the whole Air Force) if it wasn't for all these damn pilots.
 
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Life is tougher when you fly an EA-6B. Excuse, which way is backwards? Thank you! Maybe if you jettisoned one or two dudes from the internal 4-ship you could fly faster.
 
SB Diver said:
Oh, life is so tough in your branch!
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Noone ever said anything about it being "tough." In this particular case, I just think the layers of supervision, regulation, and infrastructure has gotten out of hand for the combat zone. I'm all for good order and discipline, I just think we need to focus on the right things when we're fighting the war. Got any more spears you want to throw? Keep 'em coming, I'm sure MAGNUM!! has a TON of new material he'd like to drop on you.
 
I'm not saying that I ever had it too hard, but you won't see me crying in my coffee in front of everyone else!
 
MAGNUM,

You just described life at ORBD!

I thought I was looking at the Bravo Sierra through Army eyes, but it appears that you see it, too.

It appears that the role of supporting the troops has been reversed to the troops supporting their lifestyle inside the wire.
 
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Warrior Monks...thats what they want to turn us into....we should go fight and kill, but how DARE we revel in it or enjoy or celebrate it. Once we are home, we can have no FUN, no WOMEN and no alcohol. Warrior monks..one and all...whether its AF or bitchy Prowler drivers...oooppps who flew UAVs also? Thats the bug up the ___.
 
Deuce130 said:
Noone ever said anything about it being "tough." In this particular case, I just think the layers of supervision, regulation, and infrastructure has gotten out of hand for the combat zone. I'm all for good order and discipline, I just think we need to focus on the right things when we're fighting the war. Got any more spears you want to throw? Keep 'em coming, I'm sure MAGNUM!! has a TON of new material he'd like to drop on you.
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You know the 16 SOW CC got a speeding ticket while heading around the outer perimeter at the base he was at, while driving at night. Hmm....speeding in the combat zone so you won't get shot and some skycop gives you a frickin SPEEDING ticket? I heard the 1st shirt was very upset and said something to the effect of..."when we are at war and start looking inward on our own, there's a problem..."
 
dtfl said:
You know the 16 SOW CC got a speeding ticket while heading around the outer perimeter at the base he was at, while driving at night. Hmm....speeding in the combat zone so you won't get shot and some skycop gives you a frickin SPEEDING ticket? I heard the 1st shirt was very upset and said something to the effect of..."when we are at war and start looking inward on our own, there's a problem..."
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Good for that 1st shirt, but obviously nothing's changed. "Warrior Monks!" Shack. Never heard that before, hilarious.
 
SB Diver said:
I'm not saying that I ever had it too hard, but you won't see me crying in my coffee in front of everyone else!
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You missed the point of the post. It's meant to be the eye-rolling, throw the hands up, WTF, YGTBSM, typical aircrew bitching type stuff. Pulling rotes and following rules isn't "hard." The stupid queep the AF expects us to do is easy stuff. Fighting insurgents in Baghdad and Fallujah is hard. Leaving your family for a year is and then doing it again the year after that is hard. Remembering to wear your disco belt isn't. Not speeding in your crew bus isn't hard, either. My point was that I think the AF has lost it's focus. If you can't see an obvious attempt at cynical bitching then you probably don't deserve to be wearing wings or call yourself aircrew. I've always said that the squadron is OK if they're still bitching, that means they're holding out hope that things will get better. It's when they stop bitching that you need to be worried. Now, lighten up Francis.
 
you guys all rock, question,why did they ever get rid of the Raven???!!!
 
Deuce--We civilians appreciate what you guys do every day. Many of us have had friends who have deployed several times and know how stressful it can be.

On behalf of all the cattle out here who don't fly and don't think about what you guys do, we THANK YOU!!! TC
 
Plenty of folks on this forum have missed the point of giving each other a hard time just for the sake of it. That is also a part of aviation, especially military aviation. Bitchy? No. Poking fun at you? Yes. This is getting better each page!
 
NTS ALL 4 said:
No one said you don't have to spell correctly to be tough. No one is two words. Good thing you don't need to spell correctly to operate in the AOR.

Cheers!

NTS
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Ooof. I'm glad you're not my copilot. Or co pilot. Or co-pilot. But since the grammar police is out in force, I think you've got a double negative in there. Take away the contraction, you're saying "No one said you do not have to spell correctly to be tough." So you mean that you DO have to spell correctly to be tough? Looks like I'll tread lightly at the next spelling bee I go to! Cheers!
 
How about the sock police??? I got jumped by some extremely high and tight/pencil thin mustache Sergeant at a gym in country because my socks were too short! I asked him where he worked…he said it’s not important. I asked again and he told me he was the services First Sergeant. We had a one-way conversation for a bit (me to him). But when he asked me to leave the gym and go change my socks…my head almost exploded!!! So, I jumped him because he had a tattoo on his calf that covered more than 75% his exposed leg. I told him he needed to leave and put on some pants. He actually had the balls to tell me the AF tattoo policy was loosened in theater (which it isn’t). But I said, “Then so are my socks!!!” This geek actually hung out for an hour waiting for me to leave…I continued my workout for an extra hour that day just to outlast him…small victories!!!
 
Retired . . . so glad to be, but so sad that kind of BS is going on in theater. I can only imagine what kind of BS is going on state-side. When I think of what once was, and could be again with the right piss~n~vinegar leadership . . .

You guys carry the fight, to the bad guys, and the guys who don't realize who is carrying the spears ! ! ! To the Pattons of Today, a toast.
 
Deuce130 said:
Good for that 1st shirt, but obviously nothing's changed. "Warrior Monks!" Shack. Never heard that before, hilarious.
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The 1st Sh*t threw a fit because it was the CC. We had a co-pilot get one and the same CC position (different dude) threw a fit!!! Go figure!

Can't wait to hear your stories when you get back dude...give em hell!!!
 
Deuce130 said:
My point was that I think the AF has lost it's focus.
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That is a very valid observation Deuce130.

Deuce130 said:
If you can't see an obvious attempt at cynical bitching ....
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I would hate to see your 'cynical bitching' if you guys had to deploy on a CVN. The Navy guys don't exactly like it, but they recognize that is the price that must be paid to get close to the action and the bad guys.

I was on the Truman not too long ago. I may be wrong, but I would bet that the work out room on that relatively new CVN, viewed as palatial by the guys on the boat, would pale in comparison to the size and equipment to the facilities at Balad.
 
DaveGriffin said:
That is a very valid observation Deuce130.



I would hate to see your 'cynical bitching' if you guys had to deploy on a CVN. The Navy guys don't exactly like it, but they recognize that is the price that must be paid to get close to the action and the bad guys.

I was on the Truman not too long ago. I may be wrong, but I would bet that the work out room on that relatively new CVN, viewed as palatial by the guys on the boat, would pale in comparison to the size and equipment to the facilities at Balad.
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You're probably right. What's your point? Military members have bitching about things since the beginning of time, whether it was that the clubs the chief gave them were too small, the old cheese was too old, there were no shoes at Valley Forge, the coffee is bad, the rules at balad are stupid. I'm sure you Navy pogues have some favorite complaints about the aircraft carrier. I'm sure you're not all smiley and happy all the time on the boat. Except when it's shower time, of course.
 
The "Warrior Monk" term came from Gen Zinni (USMC) just before he retired. Amazing how free-speaking some of the higher-ups can be when they hand in their retirement papers and no longer have to be politically correct and speak as their "masters" speak.

He spoke to some organization about the decimation of the military fighting man (and woman) by the political correctness of the military of that day. Declared something along the lines that the politicians (civilian and military) couldn't have a guy who is trained to kill, destroy, sacrifice, do the dirty work involved in the protection of the USA and then be restricted to a "monk-like" existance when actually at their home base. No smoking, no cussing, no drinking, no strip clubs, no hell-raising like 18-25 year old warriors can do, etc. Said it was asinine for the higher-ups to think a kid would finish work, and then only go straight to some continuing education, then home to study military education, restrict his outside life to be a civic leader, a church leader, boy scout, etc. Said it was unreasonable and irresponsible to demand that of those who worked so hard in the home training fields (as well as deployed) to live under restrictions that basically castrated the soldier/marine/airman/coastie, etc.

Used to have a copy of the speech, but it's long gone. But, I'd buy the man a tall, cold beer for putting that term in the spotlight. He's absolutely right...good luck all.
 
DaveGriffin said:
My point is that AF p*ssies have it much easier than the Army, Navy or especially the USMC, and the AF p*ssies are the biggest bitchers.

That's my point. Get it?
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If you had as much contempt for the the enemy a**holes the USAF has been bombing into oblivion since 1991 as you do for the USAF itself, you'd be an asset in the GWOT. As it is, I (and many others) just think you're an insecure *********************************** who likes to post on FI about what a badass he is. Get it?
 
MAGNUM!! said:
If you had as much contempt for the the enemy a**holes the USAF has been bombing into oblivion since 1991 as you do for the USAF itself, you'd be an asset in the GWOT. As it is, I (and many others) just think you're an insecure *********************************** who likes to post on FI about what a badass he is. Get it?
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MAGNUM!!

You really don't believe that the AF is a bunch of bitchin' prima donnas that has it much easier than the other branches?
 
MAGNUM!! said:
Prima donnas? Nope. Bitchin'? Like, totally.
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I guess Zoomie education is a bit lacking.

Here's the definition of Prima Donna:

Originally used in opera companies, "prima donna" is Italian for "first lady". The term was used to designate the leading femalesinger in the opera company, the person to whom the prime roles would be given. The prima donna was normally, but not necessarily, a soprano.
Legendarily, these "prima donnas" were often regarded as egotistical, unreasonable and irritable, with a rather high opinion of themselves, not shared by others. Although whether they are truly vainer or more hot-tempered than other singers (or than any other people in the opera houses) is highly debatable, nowadays the term often signifies a vain and temperamental person who, although irritating, cannot be done without.

You guys qualify. We definetly can't do without you.
 
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