Comair Pilots Drew the Line

[ex j-41]

Now if ALPA can come up with a pay scale nationwide there wouldn't be this undercutting. We should all join the Union, we work for the Union, and if the company needs pilots to fly airplanes they go to the Union. A pay scale needs to be set nationwide.

 

[ballsdeep123]

Now if ALPA can come up with a pay scale nationwide there wouldn't be this undercutting. We should all join the Union, we work for the Union, and if the company needs pilots to fly airplanes they go to the Union. A pay scale needs to be set nationwide.

That's basically how management justifies their raises. They look around the industry and they pay them based on job duties and experience, not on how long they've been with the company. Look at your CEO. Pilots should realize that we shouldn't be the group financing the companies growth to make management and stockholders rich.

 

[thebest]

Now...having alpa will help this? THEBEST

 

[sweptback]

Yes, but it is much more than just payrates...GoJet is NOT block or better (not to mention other pay-related work rules such as trip and duty regs). Also look at GoJet's FO second year pay rates (one of their dirty little secrets).

CHQ doesn't have many good work rules either. Their CNX pay is tied to some completion factor, isn't it? So every time your flight cancels you're less likely to get paid for it, brilliant. I also love the fact that you guys don't get lost block for VAC days or calling in sick. Actually, as I understand it, if you call in sick too much you don't even get a paid vacation because they share the same bank.

The FO payrates are ok for 50 seat, depressing for 70 seat, and downright criminal for 90 seat airplanes. But I guess that's alright cause everybody upgrades there in 2 years...

 

[ballsdeep123]

If we were all unionized, under one union, with one seniority list, then yes it should help that. In most other professions pay is based on experience not how long you have been at a certain company. For example, my dad is a computer program manager for a bank. When he lost his job due to "right" sizing he went to a loan company doing the same kind of work and is now making more money at his new company than he was making at the old one. In order to do that with pilots we all need to be under the same union with the same seniority number. It doesn't make sense for a pilot of 25 years to lose his job and have to start out making the same amount of money he made when he first started flying, just because his management made bad decisions.

 

[Nindiri]

How will you force a company to hire from this national seniority list?

 

[AvroJockey]

If we were all unionized, under one union, with one seniority list, then yes it should help that. In most other professions pay is based on experience not how long you have been at a certain company. For example, my dad is a computer program manager for a bank. When he lost his job due to "right" sizing he went to a loan company doing the same kind of work and is now making more money at his new company than he was making at the old one. In order to do that with pilots we all need to be under the same union with the same seniority number. It doesn't make sense for a pilot of 25 years to lose his job and have to start out making the same amount of money he made when he first started flying, just because his management made bad decisions.

Ballsdeep has caught on! The rest are still a little slow.

BTW, dogtown...using economics to your advantage is hardly communistic. In fact, controlling labor supply happens both ways, though it seems management is the only one that has fiqured it out. Why do you think all the puppy mills are sponsored by regional airlines? MANAGMENT IS CONTROLING PILOT LABOR SUPPLY, AND WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT! Otherwise your compensation will continue to decline. It's economic fact, and the only way to start controlling the supply is with a single senoirity list!

 

[hbrow15]

How will you force a company to hire from this national seniority list?

this has always been my question, if a xyz airline is looking to hire it would seem to me they would hire a guy at first year rates and not a guy have walk through the door at year 10 pay. how would upgrades work? could someone be a few month's away from upgrade be bumped by someone walking through the door last week? how would military pilots be worked in? if you went to American, Southwest UPS would you have to give up your senority # because at this point i'm sure they will not want to participate. I agree that what we have now has us handcuffed and a national list may eventually work but there is a much work to be done and it will not be a simple matter of date of hire and companies call Worth for a pilot.

 

[SennaP1]

Ballsdeep has caught on! The rest are still a little slow.

He wanted to compare the airlines to US Steel companies, how is that catching on? Unless you of course mean multiple bankruptcies, stolen pensions, lost jobs, made up promises.

No single seniority list will ever exist at the airlines, guaranteed...It all sounds good and looks good as a Flight Case sticker, but it won't happen.

 

[bvt1151]

When did we go from single contract rates to single seniority list? The logistics of a single list alone are a deal-breaker.

One contract for all regionals. One voice, one rate.