Trans States: 1 Muslim Pilots: 0

[EdAtTheAirport]

To answer a previous post, that was his appeal. Unless the Supreme Court decides to hear it (rare) or the 8th Circ. decides to re-hear its own case (also rare), then this one is over.

It was never found that he was in uniform. He claims to have worn his uniform shirt and pants without bars, etc. A waitress also claims that she did not recognize any pilots in the bar that night. The witness, a TWA pilot says differently. The Court even mentions that there is a dispute about what "in uniform" means. So the claim that he was in a bar drinking "in uniform" is a little exaggerated.

He got fired merely on the claim that he was in a bar "in uniform." It's interesting is that TSA's corporate policy afforded him the opportunity for "progressive discipline," which would have saved his job. The Union contract, however, provided that probationary pilots are not entitled to investigations, hearings, due process, etc.

Over all, if this guy, or any pilot regardless of race, was anywhere celebrating the 911 attack I think he should been fired. In fact, he should have his ticket pulled, too. IMHO the Court made the right decision for the wrong reason.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim...

 

[AWACoff]

XJohXJ, ...and ya know what, they are still eating lutefisk today! That proves the germans and Scandinavians took over Minnesota!

 

[I Hate Freight]

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim...

Now watch. Some terrorist-sympathizer will now throw Timothy McVeigh's name at you as the one and only example of non-Muslim terrorism over the past twenty years.

IHF

 

[illtake2]

Who gives a crap I am all for racial profiling, i don't care. Lets tap the phone lines, all of you liberals will complain if it happens again saying we weren't doing enough, if your not doing anything wrong then what do you have to worry about. I am sure george w doesn't care that joe in kansas is having a yard sale on saturday and not claiming it on his taxes.

 

[Flyer1015]

Now watch. Some terrorist-sympathizer will now throw Timothy McVeigh's name at you as the one and only example of non-Muslim terrorism over the past twenty years.

IHF

Fine, I won't mention McVeigh's case.

How about some other real terrorism in the last 20 or so years:


Sarin gas attack in the Tokyo subway systems, killed innocent Japanese people... non-Muslim terrorist group did it (it was a Japanese group with some agenda of its own).

Air India in 1985, a 747 blown over the Atlantic Ocean... Sikh terrorist bomb (Sikhs did it, not Muslims). Over 300+ people, dead.


How about the civilians killed with the IRA and their whole deal. That's terrorism, and non-Muslim.


There. 3 examples quickly off the top of my head, of non-Muslim terror attacks in the last 20 or so years.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim...

Just proved that FALSE! See above examples.

 

[ifly34]

And not one of those three examples were directed towards the US.

 

[Flyer1015]

And not one of those three examples were directed towards the US.

Doesn't matter. That wasn't the point.

The point I was trying to disprove was:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Sanchez
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim...

And I disproved it with my three examples. There are more out there.

 

[Dodge]

flyer1015,

Native American Indians aren't native either. Read some elementary history books some time when you aren't bad mouthing the facist county called the United States. You and your enlightened, self righteous friends should be very glad that you live here instead of the places that the evil U.S. is trying to do some good in.

Never fails. Every generation has its hippies. Peace, gov. handouts for everyone, bla bla bla. Funny how the 60's hippies all have gotten real jobs now.

 

[big_al]

native American Indians were the first inhabitants of this Continent. Do you say differently, Dodge?

 

[big_al]

And not one of those three examples were directed towards the US.

well what about the hate crimes committed against citizens of a different race? that fits with the terrorism bit quite well. Oh and dont forget abortion clinic bombings/murdering doctors, the unibomber, Atlanta olympic bomber, etc

 

[B6 Tech]

Then walk back across that land bridge between Alaska and Siberia. You know, the one your ancestors crossed before they populated North America - you ASS CLOWN!

I was going to say the same thing. If we are going to split hairs over Americans whose families migrated here in the 17, 18, and 19th centuries, and who have had generations brought up in this country by saying they need to go back to Europe, then "Native" Americans need to walk back over that land bridge to Asia, because they technically are not "native" either. Splitting hairs and all, 10,000 years, or 200. Whats the cutoff point when you can call yourself a native american? Personally, i'm of German and Irish DESCENT. Never been to either place. But i'm not a German and Irish American, just an American. Anyone tells me to go back to Europe can kiss my white AMERICAN ass.

 

[big_al]

they are "native" because they were the first HUMANS ON THE CONTINENT

jeebus you people are dense

And the Germans and Irish were targeted as trying to take over the country in past times. Welcome to reality, where people repeat history because they are too stupid to learn from the past

 

[Dodge]

native American Indians were the first inhabitants of this Continent. Do you say differently, Dodge?

They very well may have been. But they weren't from here. They are just as Native as I am.

 

[Flyer1015]

flyer1015,

Native American Indians aren't native either. Read some elementary history books some time when you aren't bad mouthing the facist county called the United States.

Read some geograhpy books, and you'll discover that the United States isn't a county.

It all depends on how far back in history you wanna go. For all practical purposes, Native Indian Americans were native to this land we are on. You can argue that dinosaurs were the original inhabitors of what is know the United States.

 

[Flyer1015]

well what about the hate crimes committed against citizens of a different race? that fits with the terrorism bit quite well. Oh and dont forget abortion clinic bombings/murdering doctors, the unibomber, Atlanta olympic bomber, etc

Thank you, very well said.




Do you people know the BIGGEST DOMESTIC TERRORIST GROUP, as defined by the FBI in the '90s and up to March 2001 ?!?!

That's right, the ELF !!! Earth Liberation Front.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front

 

[B6 Tech]

Read some geograhpy books, and you'll discover that the United States isn't a county.

It all depends on how far back in history you wanna go. For all practical purposes, Native Indian Americans were native to this land we are on. You can argue that dinosaurs were the original inhabitors of what is know the United States.

Thats my point. Where is the cut off point before your still labeled an immagrant?

 

[Dodge]

I was going to say the same thing. If we are going to split hairs over Americans whose families migrated here in the 17, 18, and 19th centuries, and who have had generations brought up in this country by saying they need to go back to Europe, then "Native" Americans need to walk back over that land bridge to Asia, because they technically are not "native" either. Splitting hairs and all, 10,000 years, or 200. Whats the cutoff point when you can call yourself a native american? Personally, i'm of German and Irish DESCENT. Never been to either place. But i'm not a German and Irish American, just an American. Anyone tells me to go back to Europe can kiss my white AMERICAN ass.

It has been proven that if you are any sort of caucasian, you can only be Native to Europe, not North America. Your ancestors were obviously a royal family. Some accounts have them rendered as petty thieves and no accounts. It just depends on which book you read from. On thing is for sure though.....They descended on North America to pillage and spread great disease. They have done no good at any time in the history of the world.

 

[Flyer1015]

Thats my point. Where is the cut off point before your still labeled an immagrant?

I don't know.

But I always find it weird when someone, say a white person with a European background, tells someone else (like a non-white) in America today to "go back to where they came from."

It's like, WTF? YOU immigrated here within the last few decades to maybe the last few hundred years.

And it ESPECIALLY doesn't make any sense when I hear a white guy say that to a black guy!

That would be back when they were forced onto ships against their wills and worked as slaves. How dare a white person say go back to Africa to black people?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

All you homo-sapiens should go back to Great Rift Valley where ya came from! So help me Flying Spaghetti Monster, I'll eat your ears off if your pretty round heads get anywhere near my valley in Europe!

Europe is for Neanderthals! Fight the power! (A) !

(OMG you guys!)

 

[B6 Tech]

I don't know.

But I always find it weird when someone, say a white person with a European background, tells someone else (like a non-white) in America today to "go back to where they came from."

It's like, WTF? YOU immigrated here within the last few decades to maybe the last few hundred years.

And it ESPECIALLY doesn't make any sense when I hear a white guy say that to a black guy!

That would be back when they were forced onto ships against their wills and worked as slaves. How dare a white person say go back to Africa to black people?

Oh i'm not debating that. Infact, i'm not debating anything. I'm just curious about this little grey area. Personally I feel that anyone born here, and a citizen here is an American. If I were to migrate from England, China, Laos personally, then I would be an immagrant. But my kids, born here after my arrival, would be Americans.

 

[Dodge]

Read some geograhpy books, and you'll discover that the United States isn't a county.

It all depends on how far back in history you wanna go. For all practical purposes, Native Indian Americans were native to this land we are on. You can argue that dinosaurs were the original inhabitors of what is know the United States.

100% correct. The USA is not a county. It is a country, however. Though, it hasn't been one since the beginning of time.

What is a hate crime, BTW? Race has to be involved, correct? A white guy murders a white guy and that is a love crime? Black guy murders white guy and that is an unfortunate event? Muslims and Jews kill each other for 2000 years and that is just a life choice? But a white guy does something awful to a different race and he gets a whole new category for his terrible sins.

 

[Flyer1015]

Don't make 'PT the Clown' angry! If PT the Clown gets angry, then Pinnacle pilots will never get a new contract!

J/K

 

[Dodge]

back to the topic......

A pilot on probation can be fired for anything at the companies discretion. I believe drinking in uniform in a bar would constitute "image unbecoming to Trans States Airline passengers".

 

[B6 Tech]

100% correct. The USA is not a county. It is a country, however. Though, it hasn't been one since the beginning of time.

What is a hate crime, BTW? Race has to be involved, correct? A white guy murders a white guy and that is a love crime? Black guy murders white guy and that is an unfortunate event? Muslims and Jews kill each other for 2000 years and that is just a life choice? But a white guy does something awful to a different race and he gets a whole new category for his terrible sins.

Thats is a very good point. A gentelman from Queens recently ( I believe it was Queens ) caught some black dude breaking into his car. This White guys whips the black guys ass with a baseball bat ( not killing him ) and is over heard using the "N" word in the process. Now you can tell from the news footage this white guy was the furthest thing from a racist, Klan member, Nazi, whatever. His defense was that said word is street slang these days, which I feel it has become that. The prosecuter from NY never the less charged him with a hate crime, and he recieved 20 years. Is that fair?

 

[AdSo81]

your point? muslims are everywhere, LOCK UP YOUR CHILDREN!

Lock up your back door...lock up your wife! Thats a great friggen song.

 

[B6 Tech]

back to the topic......

A pilot on probation can be fired for anything at the companies discretion. I believe drinking in uniform in a bar would constitute "image unbecoming to Trans States Airline passengers".

Whats more to be said? That about sums it up.

 

[Flyer1015]

Whats more to be said? That about sums it up.

Yeah, but to be fair, being a probationary F/O for TSA is what probably led to his drinking in the first place!

 

[Turkey Shoot]

They descended on North America to pillage and spread great disease. They have done no good at any time in the history of the world.

Surely, you're being sarcastic with this comment. It's not an issue about skin color or race, it's a culture issue. Some are superior to others. Just the facts.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Dark skin is undesireable, in my opinion.

Dark skin is undesireable, in my opinion.

Dark skin is undesireable, in my opinion.

Dark skin is undesireable, in my opinion.

That sounds highly racist.




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