Zamboni vs. the F-22

[pilotyip]

Your point being...we should not worry about China's capacity to attack our carriers at will with a long range weapon? We should only worry about the Taliban? Maybe we should sell all the guns and equip our soldiers with sticks and rocks.

Ever heard of a little time in history called the Second World War? Got caught with our pants down and got our asses handed too use until we stepped it up.

By the way...all that money we owe China will not keep them from EXPORTING MORE WEAPONS!

My point was the Soviets had the same capability in the 70's and 80's, but because of a known response to an attack upon a carrier it did not happen. Just because the Chinese have the capability does not mean they will use it. As stated above an attack upon an US Aircraft Carrier by China with one of those weapons is an act of total war. The US is well prepared to respond at whatever level necessary to defend its life style, if the leadership elects. My referral to the Tallyband was that they are not a country and it would compound the response to an attack. Then again they do not have the infrastructure or inventory to do more than to be a nuance. The US is in far better shape than the beginning of WWII, when we had the 12th largest Army in the world and 18th largest Air Force made up on mainly obsolete airplanes. But the country mobilized and built places like Willow Run and the rest is history.

 

[JungleJett]

Then again they do not have the infrastructure or inventory to do more than to be a nuance.

Ever served where this "nuisance" operates? I am thinking no, otherwise you would not make such a statement.

 

[pilotyip]

Vietnam count? The Cole attack was a tragic nuisance. Not an attack directed in force by a sovereign state.

 

[JungleJett]

Vietnam count? The Cole attack was a tragic nuisance. Not an attack directed in force by a sovereign state.

No Vietnam does not count. We are talking about the Taliban and what they are capable of.

The Cole was the beginning of something that ultimately engulfed us in a war in Afghanistan. The bombings of the Embassies and the attacks of 9/11. Were they nuisances as well? Maybe to you..but to those that lost their lives, I am guessing they might think otherwise. The Taliban harbored al-Qaeda and therefore was complicit in the attack.

I could give two ********************s if the people who attack are wearing pajama's, a robe with some sandals or parade regalia, if one American life is lost, that little "nuisance" is worth the effort.

If you want to discount China as a significant threat, feel free...just make sure your bunker is stocked.

 

[SIG600]

You don't have to sink a carrier to disable it and remove it from the picture... think about it.

The "cold war" developing between China and the US is probably unlikely to occure purely based on an economic stand point, however you never know what the future holds.

 

[pilotyip]

McDonalds’s theory of War. No two countries that both have Mc Donald’s will every attack each other, because it is bad for the McDonalds business in both counties. However if one country with a McDonalds starts a war and it gets attacked, the war will not last very long, because it is hard to run a McDonalds without water, electricity, roads, bridges, etc. and it makes people mad. (I.e. Serbia in 1999). Moral of the story - countries with advanced economies capable of supporting a McDonalds franchise will not risk their economy in a war. I read this in one of my professional military journals sometime in the last 10 years, seems to make sense.

 

[DaveGriffin]

http://www.opednews.com/articles/US-Navy-stunned-Deadly-ne-by-Terrence-Aym-100807-781.html

Hard to fly anything off something sitting on the bottom of the ocean.

Carry on.....

Why do you guys listen to anything that comes of out this guys cock holster?

So what's your point numbnuts? That the ChiComs can sink one of our CVNs?

No one in the Navy believes a CVN is unsinkable, that's why they work their *sses off to make sure it doesn't happen.

We lost 12 carriers in WW II and the Japanese lost 21.

USS Langley (CV-1) - Sunk February 22, 1942
USS Lexington (CV-2) - Sunk May 8, 1942
USS Yorktown (CV-5) - Sunk June 8, 1942
USS Wasp (CV-7) - Sunk September 15, 1942
USS Hornet (CV-8) - Sunk October 26, 1942
USS Liscomb Bay (CVE-56) - Sunk November 24, 1943
USS Princeton (CVL-23) - Sunk October 23, 1944
USS Block Island (CVE-21) - Sunk May 29, 1944
USS Gambier Bay (CVE-73) - Sunk October 25, 1944
USS St Lo (CVE-63) - Sunk October 25, 1944
USS Ommaney Bay (CVE-79) - Sunk January 4, 1945
USS Bismark Sea (CVE-95) - Sunk February 21, 1945

And we went on to make it the most capable power projection platform ever developed. When we get the E-2D fully deployed it's really going to be something.

If the F-22 had a tailhook, and if AF pilots had the nerve and decent training, it might keep the AF in the game a little longer.

But in another 5-8 years it will be the MC-12 guys running the AF, and they'll be focused on spending the AF budget on airplanes other than the F-22.

 

[SIG600]

Blah blah blah, I'm a tool and a poser SEAL.

Yeah, the E-2D is a real game changer

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/ft-2000.htm

 

[JungleJett]

Did someone fart....it smells of duct tape and seaman.

 

[DaveGriffin]

Yeah, the E-2D is a real game changer

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/ft-2000.htm

I knew it, you're an AF guy.

 

[SIG600]

I knew it, you're an AF guy.

I'm as much an AF guy as you are a SEAL.

 

[CitationLover]

Chinese Song diesel submarines pointed out to the USN that our precious carriers aren't as well protected as they should be. I imagine this lit a fire under some Adm's craw and this hopefully has been dealt with adequately.

The USN, in its drive to keep efficiencies between contractors and their projects, have declassified thousands of items to allow "information sharing" and thus save the navy money. Unfortunately, China steals all of that information a lot easier than if it was classified and has used it to build up their Navy quite well.

 

[DaveGriffin]

I'm as much an AF guy as you are a SEAL.

So you seriously think the ChiCom Ft-2000 effectively neutralizes our E-2Ds? A CSG is one big can of whoop-*ss, with a lot of radars working full time, plus our space-based sensors looking for launches.

What about our new zinc bomb or the secret tunnel under the Bering Staits?

That should move the advantage back to at least US +1.

 

[SIG600]

So you seriously think the ChiCom Ft-2000 effectively neutralizes our E-2Ds? A CSG is one big can of whoop-*ss, with a lot of radars working full time, plus our space-based sensors looking for launches.

What about our new zinc bomb or the secret tunnel under the Bering Staits?

That should move the advantage back to at least US +1.

Having spent many MANY months on carriers, I know exactly what we're capable of, and you're a moron. Stop reading Janes and Aviation Week.

I hope you get punched in the throat by a real team member. There's a special place in hell reserved for posers like you (and the Army 2LT that was caught wearing a Trident). That wasn't you was it? you seem to know about as much as a 2nd looey. You're so out of your league you couldn't even make the JV.

I have to give you credit though. The only reason I come to this site anymore is to see what dumb sh!t you've said lately, and that entertains me.

 

[pilotyip]

Asw?

Chinese Song diesel submarines pointed out to the USN that our precious carriers aren't as well protected as they should be. I imagine this lit a fire under some Adm's craw and this hopefully has been dealt with adequately.

The USN, in its drive to keep efficiencies between contractors and their projects, have declassified thousands of items to allow "information sharing" and thus save the navy money. Unfortunately, China steals all of that information a lot easier than if it was classified and has used it to build up their Navy quite well.

someone interested in ASW? How can that be on a pilot board, there is no glamour in submarine hunting, it is just long boring hours of hanging around.