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Originally Posted by scarlet http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1464039#post1464039

Scabs !!!

Another well thought-out relevant post by Scarlet, good job buddy.

 

[John Pennekamp]

We got those for us and we had them way before you. When our pilot group was worth a crap they got em for us.My point is if your gonna pull the coat tailing card then it goes both ways.

FWIW, you got them when Comair raised the bar. You didn't fight for crap!!!!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

SkyWest had better work rules than ASA, then ASA caught up to them, now SkyWest is being caught up to ASA and hopefully Pinnacle and Republic will one up them, isn't this the type of progressive bargaining we should all be excited about.

Again, SkyWest got them when the rode the coattails of AirWis, Comair and XJet. Try again.

 

[John Pennekamp]

OK so let me get this straight. An ASA pilot gives us rates if/when we catch up to them. But when they catch up to us on 401K, etc. somehow it's not coat tail riding? And Trojan find a better word than asinine, it makes you sound childish.

Yeah, I guess ASA is the only regional that ever got a contract. Tard.

 

[yellowfever]

Hey skywesters,
Skywest voted down alpa in 99. Management, out of the goodness of their hearts gave everyone a raise. Comair went on strike and raised the bar. Skywest matched what they had. Skywest pilots, since then have lowered the bar. Asa pilots struggle to get a new contract being whipsawed against skywest pilots. They finally get a contract which includes higher pay for first year pilots. Skywest pilots once again are rewarded for work done by union pilots. Sapa, the entity not the people, should get NO credit for the recent gains. Thank you ASA. Comair, and every other regional out there that has tried to raise the regional pilots quality of life. Sorry the majority here don't seem to want to help.

Good post! Skywest should have been leading the industry in pay for the last several years based on economies of scale. Instead, with the pay freeze, the pilot compensation has eroded. You guys at Skywest should consider yourself lucky that you have a unionized sister carrier.

 

[Tomct]

Of course if Skywest had voted in ALPA, it would be 3-5 years before there were any pay increases.... Instead they get them immediately.... and don't have to pay 1.95%....

Well who knew that it would take "Joe Duche" this long in the thread to make an Anti-Union statement! Hey Joe....how big is your "bonus" check going to be THANKS TO THE UNION LEADERSHIP? Yeah...that's what I thought...SHUT IT!!!!! JackAss!

 

[front9]

Yeah...that's what I thought...SHUT IT!!!!! JackAss!

I was wondering when "Tomcant - the internet toughguy" was going to show up. This thing almost went 5 pages without a "SHUT IT" I was getting worried.

 

[Soverytired]

Rather, it seems to be driven by, "We can't find anybody to fly our aircraft, so we'll have to throw more money at them".

Who gives a flying fart as to the "why" if they're improving pay and/or work rules?

I don't look to my employer for validation or approval.

Take them to the cleaners, fight for every penny, but never expect a hearty "Thank You" . . .because when that garbage comes spewing forth, watch your wallet . . . no matter who it's coming from!

(Friends and family excepted. Mostly )

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Who gives a flying fart as to the "why" if they're improving pay and/or work rules?

Why? Because if SKW was filling classes with no problem, they wouldn't need to raise pay to entice people to work there.

SKW pilots have already told management that they will take whatever SGU wants to give them. (or not give them)

 

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Did management at ASA attempt to raise new-hire pay at ASA through a side-letter prior to the TA?

 

[sweptback]

Did management at ASA attempt to raise new-hire pay at ASA through a side-letter prior to the TA?

Yes, and the union correctly told them to finish the contract if they wanted their new hire pay so badly.

 

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Yes, and the union correctly told them to finish the contract if they wanted their new hire pay so badly.

Similar thing is happening over here. Having trouble filling classes, so pay needs to be raised. Apparently, the initial offer by CC was low, and was rejected to include [hopefully] the whole pilot group. But the point is that the offer was not made to even up compensation at the two carriers, or out of the goodness of anyone's heart, but to attract qualified employees. As the pilot shortage progresses, pay increases will occur to retain qualified employees. It's economics, and it works with or without an antagonistic union.

 

[Gandalf]

Similar thing is happening over here. Having trouble filling classes, so pay needs to be raised. Apparently, the initial offer by CC was low, and was rejected to include [hopefully] the whole pilot group. But the point is that the offer was not made to even up compensation at the two carriers, or out of the goodness of anyone's heart, but to attract qualified employees. As the pilot shortage progresses, pay increases will occur to retain qualified employees. It's economics, and it works with or without an antagonistic union.

That right there is the whole problem!
When negiotiating pay issues there shouldn't even be a "Hopefully".
But, Hopefully SAPA will grab its ba!!s and man up,Hopefully it will be for everyone, not just the new hires (cuz' if I was JA and the board thats what I'd be pullin' for - to get people IN the door - losing people off the top is not so bad a thing because with it goes higher salaries)

Hopefully, Hopefully, Hopefully.....

You know what I Hope for - SAPA to be a little more antagonistic.....That would be nice......Oh, wait I just woke up....never mind.

Antagonistic (adjective)
1. indicating opposition or resistance

Synonym of antagonize = Mollify = Placate, Pacify, Appease.

 

[joe_pilot]

SKW pilots have already told management that they will take whatever SGU wants to give them. (or not give them)

This is just not true.

That is a ridiculous oversimplification that ignores the complexities of the issue. The ones who actually made an informed decision and chose a "no" by not voting (as opposed to those who were apathetic and didn't call) were potentially saying a couple of things: that they didn't like ALPA; they were happy so far with the way the company treats them-including compensation and work rules; that management wasn't firing people left and right for bogus reasons and that they are independent, free thinkers. Their vote in no way prevents them from doing something differently in the future.

Even though I voted differently than they did, I support the decision that these fellow pilots made. The ones who were lazy or were incapable of coherent thought and action, well lets just say my opinion of them is other than supportive.

Fly Safe.

-JP

 

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That right there is the whole problem!
When negiotiating pay issues there shouldn't even be a "Hopefully".
But, Hopefully SAPA will grab its ba!!s and man up,Hopefully it will be for everyone, not just the new hires (cuz' if I was JA and the board thats what I'd be pullin' for - to get people IN the door - losing people off the top is not so bad a thing because with it goes higher salaries)

Hopefully, Hopefully, Hopefully.....

You know what I Hope for - SAPA to be a little more antagonistic.....That would be nice......Oh, wait I just woke up....never mind.

Antagonistic (adjective)
1. indicating opposition or resistance

Synonym of antagonize = Mollify = Placate, Pacify, Appease.

I'll keep voting against pay packages that don't include everybody.