You're Welcome SkyWest

[USCtrojan]

I see SAPA sends you a letter notifying you of New Hire pay, Long Call reserve, 401k, and 700/900 pay. Funny on the timing of it all. I realize SkyWest hasn't implemented any of this, but it's about to happen I would guess. Congratulations on your hard earned pay raises.

Trojan

 

[Goose Egg]

I see SAPA sends you a letter notifying you of New Hire pay, Long Call reserve, 401k, and 700/900 pay. Funny on the timing of it all. I realize SkyWest hasn't implemented any of this, but it's about to happen I would guess. Congratulations on your hard earned pay raises.

I read the same letter right before I came here. What's so funny about the timing? The ALPA drive is over and SAPA's hands are no longer tied. Seems pretty logical to me. And perhaps since ALPA was voted down, SAPA has recieved a mandate and is hopefully stepping up.

Not to stir the pot or anything, but for what it's worth the implementation of those working condition improvements will be a lot more expeditious under SAPA than they would have been under ALPA (that is if they happened at all.) New hire pay, for example, is due to change at the first of the year. I think with ALPA we'd have been lucky to see it a year from now.

Anyway, once again, not union bashing, just making an observation.

-Goose

 

[USCtrojan]

What's so funny about the timing? The ALPA drive is over and SAPA's hands are no longer tied. Seems pretty logical to me. And perhaps since ALPA was voted down, SAPA has recieved a mandate and is hopefully stepping up.

Not to stir the pot or anything, but for what it's worth the implementation of those working condition improvements will be a lot more expeditious under SAPA than it would have been under ALPA (that is if they happened at all.) Once again, not union bashing, just making an observation.

-Goose

Implementation quicker? It happened because ASA held our ground. What if 2 years ago we took a pay cut like they were demanding? You got what you got because of ASA's fight. I'm glad you did. But don't try and tell me it's because of anything you earned.

Trojan

 

[Goose Egg]

But don't try and tell me it's because of anything you earned.

I don't recall doing so.

-Goose

 

[outtahere]

Maggots!

 

[USCtrojan]

I don't recall doing so. And you may have a point about ASA for all I know. My point is that I personally had nothing to do with the ASA purchase and contract negotiations, and very little to do with the ALPA vote, and that I will take an increase from $19.25/hr almost any way I can get it. I'm just trying to make a living here.

-Goose

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." Verbil Kynt--The Usual Suspects

Trojan

 

[scarlet]

Scabs !!!

 

[USCtrojan]

Not to stir the pot or anything, but for what it's worth the implementation of those working condition improvements will be a lot more expeditious under SAPA than they would have been under ALPA (that is if they happened at all.)

Implementation, as if the SkyWest pilot group had anything to do with that. You didn't, SAPA didn't. It had everything to do with the Work Rules ASA negotiated and fought for. Had ASA taken a pay cut on the 700/900's pay rate, we would have been about in line with your 1% override. Nothing would have changed. You're Welcome.

Trojan

 

[wmuflyguy]

Not to stir the pot or anything, but for what it's worth the implementation of those working condition improvements will be a lot more expeditious under SAPA than they would have been under ALPA (that is if they happened at all.) New hire pay, for example, is due to change at the first of the year. I think with ALPA we'd have been lucky to see it a year from now.

Anyway, once again, not union bashing, just making an observation.

-Goose

Except with SAPA the company can rescind those new "improvements" whenever it feels like it...not so at ASA.

 

[BCpilot81]

Not that I am necessarily against SKYW pilots, but past experiences have shown us at all that as long as other people are fighting, their bar will be raised. Good luck to those guys, but sooner or later they will have to fight on their own part, and I sincerely hope that their discrepancies and "grievances" do not fall on def ears. But I am not countirng on that either. Not SKYW bashing....just being realistic

 

[duck_killer]

USC enjoy your 3:45 min day gurantee, higher 401k matching, and performance rewards. After all we had them way before you guys did. Your welcome.

 

[USCtrojan]

USC enjoy your 3:45 min day gurantee, higher 401k matching, and performance rewards. After all we had them way before you guys did. Your welcome.

And who got those for you? I fought for my 3:45 min day, higher 401k, (didn't really want the perf. rewards, would've rather had higher definitive compensation), what did you fight for? Can your work rules change tomorrow? Mine can't. But your welcome for the raise.

Trojan

 

[duck_killer]

We got those for us and we had them way before you. When our pilot group was worth a crap they got em for us.My point is if your gonna pull the coat tailing card then it goes both ways.

 

[BoilerUP]

Details about this letter????

Is it completely equal to ASA's new contract, or +1%?

I said it'd take em at least 6 weeks to match ASA's contract at SKW once they voted down ALPA...guess they moved faster than that!

 

[Soverytired]

Scabs !!!

I almost said "Sore loser", but in this instance, a simple

LOSER


applies.

 

[USCtrojan]

We got those for us and we had them way before you. When our pilot group was worth a crap they got em for us.My point is if your gonna pull the coat tailing card then it goes both ways.

You did have those work rules way before ASA. Congratulations, but that was because Xjet, Air Willy, or Comair had it and was given to you. What kills me is you don't even recognize it, or refuse to. I don't care either way. You are coat tail riders, to not see that is completely asinine. I love your little SAPA letter, it's written quite humorously. Don't get me wrong about your pay raise, I'm happy it's gonna happen. It's gonna make your employee group more expensive than ours. And, uh, you're welcome for that pay raise. I think it's kind of ironic don't you? Your pilot group keeps benefiting at the expense of ours? But I'm happy for you.

 

[dbchandler1]

And who got those for you? I fought for my 3:45 min day, higher 401k, (didn't really want the perf. rewards, would've rather had higher definitive compensation), what did you fight for? Can your work rules change tomorrow? Mine can't. But your welcome for the raise.

Trojan

SkyWest had better work rules than ASA, then ASA caught up to them, now SkyWest is being caught up to ASA and hopefully Pinnacle and Republic will one up them, isn't this the type of progressive bargaining we should all be excited about.

 

[sweptback]

SkyWest had better work rules than ASA, then ASA caught up to them, now SkyWest is being caught up to ASA and hopefully Pinnacle and Republic will one up them, isn't this the type of progressive bargaining we should all be excited about.

Except there's no bargaining taking place at SkyWest.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Of course if Skywest had voted in ALPA, it would be 3-5 years before there were any pay increases.... Instead they get them immediately.... and don't have to pay 1.95%....

 

[DrewBlows]

We got those for us and we had them way before you. When our pilot group was worth a crap they got em for us.My point is if your gonna pull the coat tailing card then it goes both ways.

You can thank Comair for that.

 

[dbchandler1]

Except there's no bargaining taking place at SkyWest.

I believe that they have already turned down the first offer recieved. I suppose people would rather have SkyWest's compensation stay low so they could undercut the union carriers, because you really can't expect to have it both ways.

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

We got those for us and we had them way before you. When our pilot group was worth a crap they got em for us.My point is if your gonna pull the coat tailing card then it goes both ways.

ASA didn't have these before you, true... but that is a stretch to say that it goes both ways. You wouldn't have had it if another union pilot group hadn't fought to get it at some point before you guys. Most everything you guys get is a result of someone else fighting for it. If you don't want a union, fine, that is your decision, but you guys are coat-tail-riders. At least admit that and go on about your business.

 

[SkyNation]

Of course if Skywest had voted in ALPA, it would be 3-5 years before there were any pay increases.... Instead they get them immediately.... and don't have to pay 1.95%....

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, touche!

at least somebody gets it!

I'll deliver my thank yous: Thank you capitalism! Thank you market economy! Thank you laws of supply and demand!

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Actually, I was a little flummoxed by BS's letter. I stated what SAPA was pursuing, that management agreed some things were AFU, and that SAPA declined an offer. I don't recally seeing anything about an offer being made--did I miss a step somewhere? I know that wouldn't happen if we had a union [sic], but bear with me here...

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

You've got to be kidding me...

I wouldn't be so quick to praise ole Joe... If he and his Fab Four(the coalition led by LJ, remember them?) had taken over here at ASA, we would have caved and taken a sub-standard contract and either your pay would have remained stagnant or you'd be shifting airframes to us since we would definitely have lower crew costs. Jerry is a businessman and lower crew costs mean a better bottom line and it's his job to optimize profit. But just keep thinking that its the free market helping keep up your pay and quality of life. You only get what you negotiate, but since you can't negotiate with a company union, just be thankful other carriers keep working for better contracts that your management has to match (plus a small percentage, maybe) to keep attracting pilots.


I don't begrudge the SkyWest pilots for what they have, but it chaps my ass when they act like they would still have such a great place to work without other pilots striving for the improvement of the profession.

Just my $.02...

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

SkyWest had better work rules than ASA, then ASA caught up to them, now SkyWest is being caught up to ASA and hopefully Pinnacle and Republic will one up them, isn't this the type of progressive bargaining we should all be excited about.

Here's a quick history lesson for all you young ones that think you have it all figured out.
In the 60'sand 70's Delta's non union employees and Easterns union employees went through the same thing. One upping each other for two decades. There is so much here that I could go into that transpired along with this. Just wanted to point out how history repeats itself.Consider the in result as well. And yes we could discuss the other contributing factors as they played out only in the end ie.(Lorenzo) but I often wonder if indeed anyone learns from our past!

 

[USCtrojan]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, touche!

at least somebody gets it!

I'll deliver my thank yous: Thank you capitalism! Thank you market economy! Thank you laws of supply and demand!

And you probably believe, too, that Brian Lebreque is really quitting to retire right now, right? And it just so happens that Brad Holt is taking over, just because Brian Lebreque DECIDED to retire? If you believe that, and I would bet you do, then you really shouldn't be in public without somebody making sure you don't hurt yourself.

Trojan

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Here's a quick history lesson for all you young ones that think you have it all figured out.
In the 60'sand 70's Delta's non union employees and Easterns union employees went through the same thing. One upping each other for two decades. There is so much here that I could go into that transpired along with this. Just wanted to point out how history repeats itself.Consider the in result as well. And yes we could discuss the other contributing factors as they played out only in the end ie.(Lorenzo) but I often wonder if indeed anyone learns from our past!

UH! And Delta is now DALPA/ALPA because???? Must be management treated them so well, the voted in a union in gratitude. SKYW, you have lowered the bar for everyone, showing management that there is no unity in the pilot groups. It will catch up with you someday, in the meantime, I flew with a lot of great guys/gals over there and sincerely wish everyone good luck in the future.

Yogi

 

[skyhogg]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, touche!

at least somebody gets it!

I'll deliver my thank yous: Thank you capitalism! Thank you market economy! Thank you laws of supply and demand!

Ah yes...Capitalism and the market economy have always been wonderful for all!

"At least somebody gets it", Must be fulfilling to be so smart!

 

[ASADriver]

Ah yes...Capitalism and the market economy have always been wonderful for all!

It's much better than Communism. Capitalism and the market economy have been wonderful to me.