EuroWheenie
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bofecus
Sorry mate, I'm close to giving up. You have decided not see your position influenced by the (non-Airbus) links I provided. You are immersed in propaganda and are set to stay there. Fair enough, have it like that.
Can we, at least, agree that both Airbus and Boeing are receiving subsidies? Airbus in the form of refundable launch aid, and Boeing in the form of tax breaks? Are we discussing the lenght of a piece of string here?
As for Boeing having business morals, you are of course joking right?
Anyway, as for your claims re. EADS claiming to be a bigger defence contractor, that is certainly news to me! As is your claim that Airbus has a bigger turnover. According to the links I'll provide below, EADS had a turnover of around 31.7 Billion Euro (around 40 Billion USD) and Boeing had a turnover of 52.5 Billion USD, both in 2004. Where do you get your information from, or do you just pull random numbers out of a hat to fit your argument? However, if I may direct your attention to this link: http://www.eads.com/xml/content/OF00000000400004/0/85/40596850.pdf you'll see that EADS generates around 30% of revenue from non-Airbus related activities, and around 20% from Defence.
The same figures for Boeing, according to this link: http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/financial/2004q4/2004q4.pdf
indicates that Boeing generated around 7.6 Bill from "Integrated Defence Systems" and roughly 5.4 Bill. from "Commercial Aircraft" - both in Q4 of 2004. In other words, a defence side of the business that is almost 50% bigger than commercial aircraft. Do research your arguments before posting them, it generally makes you look much better.
I also note that you elegantly evaded the level playing field issue, but that's allright - I've grown to learn on this site that if reasonable thoughts or ideas contravene your preconceptions, they are just ignored.
Finally, EADS NV is a publicly held company listed on the Amsterdam stock exchange. Yes, there is government holdings in the company. But it's a company that is owned in majority by publicly traded stocks. And just like the Boeing board, the Airbus board also have stock holders they are reporting too.
Your misconceptions are baffling. I ask again, where do you get your information from?
Sorry mate, I'm close to giving up. You have decided not see your position influenced by the (non-Airbus) links I provided. You are immersed in propaganda and are set to stay there. Fair enough, have it like that.
Can we, at least, agree that both Airbus and Boeing are receiving subsidies? Airbus in the form of refundable launch aid, and Boeing in the form of tax breaks? Are we discussing the lenght of a piece of string here?
As for Boeing having business morals, you are of course joking right?
Anyway, as for your claims re. EADS claiming to be a bigger defence contractor, that is certainly news to me! As is your claim that Airbus has a bigger turnover. According to the links I'll provide below, EADS had a turnover of around 31.7 Billion Euro (around 40 Billion USD) and Boeing had a turnover of 52.5 Billion USD, both in 2004. Where do you get your information from, or do you just pull random numbers out of a hat to fit your argument? However, if I may direct your attention to this link: http://www.eads.com/xml/content/OF00000000400004/0/85/40596850.pdf you'll see that EADS generates around 30% of revenue from non-Airbus related activities, and around 20% from Defence.
The same figures for Boeing, according to this link: http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/financial/2004q4/2004q4.pdf
indicates that Boeing generated around 7.6 Bill from "Integrated Defence Systems" and roughly 5.4 Bill. from "Commercial Aircraft" - both in Q4 of 2004. In other words, a defence side of the business that is almost 50% bigger than commercial aircraft. Do research your arguments before posting them, it generally makes you look much better.
I also note that you elegantly evaded the level playing field issue, but that's allright - I've grown to learn on this site that if reasonable thoughts or ideas contravene your preconceptions, they are just ignored.
Finally, EADS NV is a publicly held company listed on the Amsterdam stock exchange. Yes, there is government holdings in the company. But it's a company that is owned in majority by publicly traded stocks. And just like the Boeing board, the Airbus board also have stock holders they are reporting too.
Your misconceptions are baffling. I ask again, where do you get your information from?
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