You go ASA

[Crash Pad]

I doubt Comair and ASA are going to lose much feed to the contract carriers. United doesn't own any regional carriers, so they can burn bridges with loyal partners left and right (ACA and AWAC come to mind). Delta owns two, and guaranteed feed is the ONLY thing that would make either one of them even halfway viable to spin-off.

Glad you brought that up... Big D sells ASA to say Mesa... I'm sure Mesa would take the ASA contract to the wood shed and suddenly the pilot group could find out how bad a contract can get.
Maybe skywest buys ASA... I'm pretty convinced the "get the word out stuff" would really quickly turn to "screw the contract and save my seniority."
Maybe we stay wholly owned because there isn't a whole lot of investors who want an airline that can't run a schedule, can't connect a bag, and complete these two feats for an airline that is in the toilet.

I know... Won't happen to us Mesa doesn't have the funding, capital or desire to take on a flagship carrier like ASA.
Can't happen skywest wouldn't dare take on the mighty power of ALPA, or my favorite... If Delta declares BK they won't touch our contract the concessions wouldn't even make a dent.

Again these people are ruthless they get bonuses based on performance and profits they would fire all of us in a heart beat and bring in the chinese for minimum wage if they could.

 

[Crash Pad]

Spoken like a true sheep.

I know "it can happen here," but at what point do you stop prostituting yourself and take a stand? If other has done this earlier, we wouldn't be confronted with this threat.

No, if standing up for a decent contract means losing my job--so be it. The alternative makes this job not worth the effort IMHO.

OK now we're going to play the sheep hold the line garbage. Boy United really kicked some management A$$... Ran the slow down got a huge contract... Then came the old BK... huge furlough, sorry about the pension, and whoops lets take a look at the pay and work rules here for a minute I think we might have to make some amendments.

USAir guys really kicked some management A$$ in there last contract. Then the BK came etc...

You all want to win... Do it better than the other guy period. Complete flights, run on time, connect bags, and do it all cheaper than any other carrier. You will get more aircraft and in the event of a BK someone will want you to do there feeding. Sure I'm a sheep and may get slaughtered... but the idea of getting a new contract out of a company that lost 300 million is a little redicoulous.

 

[Crash Pad]

Thats right folks, we need to get the word out! Come On ALPA, get some things moving! We need to advertise just like CX and Eagle! Contract NOW!!

Ok and I'm curious... How many of you get the word out types voted for Bush. I'm sure most if not all of you. If memory serves me right and some Great Lakes pilots might be able to help with this... The national mediation board is apointed by the President... Three people if I'm correct... Since W is in office it is two republicans and one democrat... I'm a pro-buisness, Anti-Gay, Save the fetus, justice to Osama, and church loving republican like most pilots I know... But I wouldn't count on these people to release me to strike against a corporation.

The reason being last I checked Union money mostly goes to democrats... I may be wrong.

 

[asacap]

Hey Crash Pad,


Who do you work for? I'm just curious. Also, we can play your game until we all make minimum wage except for the exec's of course. This job will not be worth having if we follow your lead. If our contract (ASA) is not industry leading, then I will vote NO! Pure and simple.

 

[sweptback]

You all want to win... Do it better than the other guy period. Complete flights,

Out of our control.

run on time,

Out of our control, however I don't think there's a single pilot out there that's content being late. Obviously we're going to try our best to be on time, but there are times that you just can't help it. Scheduled 20 minute turns at places like MEM and 30 minute turns at MSP and YYZ don't help matters at all. Management has gone to great lengths to keep pilots out of the line construction arena, and this is the result. I've done 4-day trips where I've only been on time the first leg of the first day. Nobody cares.

I must say that starting 8/3 our on time percentage has probably jumped about 15% now that the pilots no longer call the times.

connect bags,

Most definitely out of our control.

and do it all cheaper than any other carrier.

If the geniuses at the puzzle palace can figure out how to pay us a livable wage, give us decent QOL and still do it cheaper than the likes of CHQ and Mesa, that's great. But I'm not going to sell myself out to win a game that's not winnable.

 

[ASAFOE120]

Crash pad,

Ok, so since Delta is losing hundreds of millions of dollars each quarter, and since they MAY be filing for bankruptcy in the near future, and even though my company, ASA, is very profitable, I should tell my CNC to go ahead and give in to whatever management wants in our contract including paycuts (from our present contract signed in 1998). Ok, that makes alot of sense.
Lets see Skip, and Chuck and some of those guys make a little sacrifice.

And if you knew anything about our negotiations then you would know that most of what we are fighting for would have very little impact on our airline economically. Most of the changes we want are in areas such as scheduling, vacation, sick leave, etc...

And as far as Mesa or somebody buying us and enforcing paycuts on us or taking our flying, then I say you dont know the solidarity of this pilot group. It would be a very bad day for the shareholders of Mesa, Skywest, or whoever buys us (not to mention big D) when 150 planes get parked overnight.

And as for myself, its pretty sad that my neighbor makes more money than I working at Home Depot than I do after 4 years here. Yep, I can afford a paycut.

Crash Pad, I bet you are one of those guys that have a "WILL FLY FOR FOOD" t-shirt in your closet.

Just my .02$

 

[MetroSheriff]

Identity Revealed!!!!!

CrashPad = Chuck Thibideaux

 

[asacap]

Crash Pad,


One more thing, you said ASA is not the cheapest. According to airlinepilotcentral.com, there only 2 regional airlines out of all of them that make less than us (at least on the CRJ-200). We are currently at the bottom of compensation and work rules.

 

[embryflyboy]

Ok and I'm curious... How many of you get the word out types voted for Bush. I'm sure most if not all of you. If memory serves me right and some Great Lakes pilots might be able to help with this... The national mediation board is apointed by the President... Three people if I'm correct... Since W is in office it is two republicans and one democrat... I'm a pro-buisness, Anti-Gay, Save the fetus, justice to Osama, and church loving republican like most pilots I know... But I wouldn't count on these people to release me to strike against a corporation.

The reason being last I checked Union money mostly goes to democrats... I may be wrong.

I love when Mind numbing libs pretending to be republicans. First off you forget all the times that democrat presidents refused to allow the unions to strike. I take for example President Grover Cleveland sent the Army to quell a rebellion by striking Pullman workers. Thirteen strikers were killed by the soldiers; union activist Eugene Debs went to jail because he refused to call a halt to the American Railway Workers' strike in Chicago. Most recently The Gore report recommended exempting federal contracts up to $100,000 from the Davis-Bacon Act and the Service Contracting Act. The unions have been in the pockets if the dimwit partly longer that you have graced this planet with your presence (at least since 1922). The example that is quoted to ad-nosem of a republican not allowing a strike is when President Reagan fired the striking controllers his stance was that government workers are public servants and if they are there to serve the public fine but if you are there to get all that you can at the public feeding trough and when it does not satisfy your insatiable desire you are going to strike. This was a reference to Government workers only; he further said that in the private sector that is something to be dealt with among the involved parties. Also if I remember my history correct it was a president from the jacka$$ party that interjected the government into the mix and the power to not allowing the unions to strike. so until you are ready to get your facts strait and stop drinking the kool-aid at that stupid fat white mans stand pipe down.​

 

[No Delay]

Where can you find out the kind of things our negoiation team is asking for in the new contract?


I think we desperately need duty rigs! Last month I flew 4 day trips (actually, 2 2-days). Day 1: 3 legs, 2: 1 leg home, 3: 5 legs, and 4: 1 leg home. I thought it was an easy schedule but it is also way inefficient.

First day of the month, integration: deadheaded to SHV and flew the flight back to ATL. The F/O that I replaced DH back. He was perfectly legal to do the trip. He even called scheduling to which they responded "oh well."

I have talked with 4 different people whose schedule this month has a 3 to 4 hour break in the middle of their day.

The company is crying about be under staffed... much of these problems could be fixed with some descent scheduling. With all the airlines, you would think someone would have some software or at least the knowledge to build efficient schedules. I am sure it is a little more complicated than I realize but I do think it could be done better.


Does anyone know the things we are asking for in our contract???

 

[sweptback]

Does anyone know the things we are asking for in our contract???

You can read the session briefings posted on the ALPA website to get a pretty good idea. They don't post what they're actually looking to get, mainly not to give management any more ammo than they need.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Delta will be on the phone to Washington to arrange an intervention should ASA pilots threaten to shut down Atlanta. It's going to get ugly folks... I'm ready- are you?

 

[Palerider957]

We are literally years away from being released by the NMB, so don't hold your breath.

At least it's fun to watch the company squirm with the self-generated pilot shortages. Our brilliant leadership team is hurting the company more than we ever could.

 

[Tomct]

Hey Crash...I mean Chuck...Shut it!! Its people like you that we don't need to hear from at anytime. I am sick of hearing all of your yammering! Just go back to sleep and spare us the horse$hit!!

 

[Tomct]

Chuck....

You must be one of those commie loving bast@rds that feels like we should all stand around and sing "Kum-bai-yah" while people target this great Nation! Atleast "W" had the b@lls to make a stand where as Kerry would have been content to "kiss and make up!"