- Sep 5, 2002
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Plus all the little packets of pretzels you can eat too, right?atrdriver said:Problem is, no one in the public cares what we make, or if we have a contract at all. They all think we make $500,000 and only work 5 days a month.
Spoken like a true sheep.Crash Pad said:Maybe I'm missing something... You all realise big D is going to bankruptcy. When this happens the first thing the judge does is put all the feed up for bid... Mesa, CHQ, all the boys come to town and take a crack. You all are sweating ALPA and a contract. You should be thinking about being the most efficient company in the nation and maybe you get to keep your jobs.
I know... can't happen to me.... We're wholly owned, Delta wouldn't shut down the Atlanta feeder, Mesa won't take my job, we're making millions, somebody has to fly these jets, or my favorite ALPA wouldn't let that happen.
A word to the wise and maybe some ACA, Air Whiskey, and even Mesa pilots can back me up on this. Bankruptcy is business... Business is ruthless... These people have one job in the world and that is to make money for share holders if someone can do your job cheaper that is the end of the discussion... Last I checked ASA is not the best looking or cheapest regional on the planet.
Glad you brought that up... Big D sells ASA to say Mesa... I'm sure Mesa would take the ASA contract to the wood shed and suddenly the pilot group could find out how bad a contract can get.BoilerUP said:I doubt Comair and ASA are going to lose much feed to the contract carriers. United doesn't own any regional carriers, so they can burn bridges with loyal partners left and right (ACA and AWAC come to mind). Delta owns two, and guaranteed feed is the ONLY thing that would make either one of them even halfway viable to spin-off.
OK now we're going to play the sheep hold the line garbage. Boy United really kicked some management A$$... Ran the slow down got a huge contract... Then came the old BK... huge furlough, sorry about the pension, and whoops lets take a look at the pay and work rules here for a minute I think we might have to make some amendments.Palerider957 said:Spoken like a true sheep.
I know "it can happen here," but at what point do you stop prostituting yourself and take a stand? If other has done this earlier, we wouldn't be confronted with this threat.
No, if standing up for a decent contract means losing my job--so be it. The alternative makes this job not worth the effort IMHO.
Ok and I'm curious... How many of you get the word out types voted for Bush. I'm sure most if not all of you. If memory serves me right and some Great Lakes pilots might be able to help with this... The national mediation board is apointed by the President... Three people if I'm correct... Since W is in office it is two republicans and one democrat... I'm a pro-buisness, Anti-Gay, Save the fetus, justice to Osama, and church loving republican like most pilots I know... But I wouldn't count on these people to release me to strike against a corporation.Tomct said:Thats right folks, we need to get the word out! Come On ALPA, get some things moving! We need to advertise just like CX and Eagle! Contract NOW!!
Out of our control.Crash Pad said:You all want to win... Do it better than the other guy period. Complete flights,
Out of our control, however I don't think there's a single pilot out there that's content being late. Obviously we're going to try our best to be on time, but there are times that you just can't help it. Scheduled 20 minute turns at places like MEM and 30 minute turns at MSP and YYZ don't help matters at all. Management has gone to great lengths to keep pilots out of the line construction arena, and this is the result. I've done 4-day trips where I've only been on time the first leg of the first day. Nobody cares.run on time,
Most definitely out of our control.connect bags,
If the geniuses at the puzzle palace can figure out how to pay us a livable wage, give us decent QOL and still do it cheaper than the likes of CHQ and Mesa, that's great. But I'm not going to sell myself out to win a game that's not winnable.and do it all cheaper than any other carrier.