YGTBSM - FedEx jumpseating suspended.

[F18-FDX]

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1) If this had anything to do with contract negotiations, they wouldn't stop the "good" employees from using the jumpseat. and 2) Why would they do something this petty that will only have the same effect as the Optimizer?

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Don't worry, someone will start a rumor saying it is the pilots' fault and it will spread like wildfire, just like in the past when we had no dog in the fight! Just kidding (I hope).

Let's just see what the deal is before going off the deep end.

Oh, by the way..."You can order a hat from VF Solutions by calling 800-966-0141 and emblems can be obtained from Martha Fitzhugh in Flight Management."

 

[FedExFlyer]

It's the pilot's fault..........

 

[slowdryver]

Listened to a conference call from DW during LEC meeting today. Obviously one of our questions was what was driving this. He had talked to JL who said he was blindsided by the news and did not have any news to pass on at this time.

When questioned about why business/staging weren't cancelled also, the company feels the security protocals for those seats are ok. Nonpilots employees have to justify and get approval from thier respective managers before being allowed to reserve seat. Apparently there is some other issue with personal seats that we are not privy to.
Supposedly, all reciprocating CASS jumpers are still allowed, but not confirmed.

Union is waiting to see what more info is put out before responding, so sit back and give them time.

 

[Backscratcher]

And as for the Military reservists who fill up the Personal jumpseats to DC, Jacksonville, San Antonio, Norfolk, Etc...Where do they stand?... Please tell me FedEx is not going to deny a Reservist a ride to work. Is it fair to give them business status at the expense of the local commuters?

 

[madfr8dog]

Sorry, couldn't lurk any longer ... can't wait for the explanation on this one. So the company's "review" revealed something necessitating suspension of all personal jumpseating, including personal jumpseats for crewmembers who've been fingerprinted and undergone an FBI check. Yet it wasn't serious enough to suspend business jumpseats for all company employees, most of whom aren't vetted to the extent crewmembers are. Hmmmmmm.

Nice to see today's message line: CASS is still in effect, and off-line pilots are still allowed.

I know our union is all over this. Section 26.B.1 of our CBA covers jumpseats (personal, staging, etc.): "To the extent permitted by law or regulation, pilots shall be given access to Company jumpseats on terms no less favorable than those provided in the Company jumpseat policy effective January 25, 1998 and included in the PBB." (PBB=Pilot Benefits Book)

....back to lurking

 

[Backscratcher]

So let me get this straight...A UPS Pilot can ride the FedEx jumpseat for any reason whatsoever with his CASS status, But a FedEx Pilot cannot ride the FedEx jumpseat unless it is staging to and from a trip (or other company approved business). Hilarious.

 

[sandman2122]

Don't expect jumpseating priority status' to change with respect to guys going to their Reserve/Guard job. Sit tight and let the dust settle.

Probably by tomorrow and for us, the pilots, it will be back to normal jumpseating ops, with the non-crewmenbers being the exception.....

Until the company decides to change it's mind...........again.

Putting my crystal ball away and getting back to my bottle of Coors.

An opinion 550 miles from Memphis.

 

[PurpleMember]

Putting my crystal ball away and getting back to my bottle of Coors.

Coors? Don't you Bus driving widebody guys at least drink Budweiser 'Select'?

 

[sandman2122]

Okay, okay, it's actually Coors Light.....embarassed to admit it.....

 

[TonyC]

Understand your frustration, Tony. But perhaps you didn't look closely at the email from Jack. The first line was the forward from the Executive Vice President for FedEx Express. I would call that "Senior Mngt... wouldn't you?"

I understand the frustration with regards to jumpseats and reciprocation to our fellow commuters from other airlines. It's unfortunate that it's gone again... along with the personal jumpseating. Believe me, I enjoy the priviledge as well. But being from management or not... the writer of that email was careful to word it and carry the point that he knew we would be miffed about the problem... but please bear with them as they worked out whatever it was that is a problem. He even stated that they hoped to have the IT issues resolved by the end of August. That's a long two weeks... sure... but it is not forever. I think if this were truly contract related, this would be for a lot longer period than that.

I'm a union supporter and up-to-date paying member. I'm all for professionally getting what we deserve in negotiations. But I think professionalism is the key here... and I sincerely feel people are not being professional when they immediately jump to some pretty harsh conclusions without even giving their union time to reply to the issue at hand... or give the company the slightest benefit of the doubt.

Nightflyer said it best in his post. I stand by my first post. People should take a step back and read the email for what it said.

"There's a problem in the jumpseat world of FedEx...

...Were working on the issue...

...It's going to be unfortunate for personal jumpseaters and our affiliated company's jumpseaters for awhile...

...we hope to have it fixed in two weeks (the end of Aug)...

...please bear with us..."

Not too much to ask... in my book.

Regards,

Kav

The e-mail came from the system chief pilot, not upper management. The half-dozen sentences near the beginning are copied from a message from the Executive Vice President.


I DID look closely at the e-mail (I resent the insinuation that I did not), and I ask you to take another look yourself. The quotes you pasted above come from the SCP. "The writer" of the portion that you characterize as carefully worded was NOT the EVP. In fact, go back and read the EVP's statement (between the quotes) and you will find no expression of sympathy or empathy whatsoever. It's very matter-of-fact.

While it will still be OK for a non-pilot company employee to use the jumpseat for business travel, it will NOT be possible for a pilot to use the jumpseat for personal travel, whether it be for vacation or to commute to a guard commitment. Please explain to me what sort of IT issue could make a pilot on personal travel a risk.

Now read these lines again:

"FYI, a non-pilot business jumpseater requires a manager's authorization to book business category and a non-pilot AOD stager requires 2 levels of management approval."

What I'm reading between the lines here is "you better not bump one of my schedulers or dispatchers."


That doesn't sit well with me.


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[FedEx1]

I agree with Backscratcher. If there is a security problem, Ok, stop the jumpseating. For everyone.

But I don't see how allowing staging/business/CASS is ok when personal crewmember jumpseating is not. If I am allowed on the plane to FLY it, I should be allowed on the plane to ride on it.

I do believe JL was out of the loop- this is coming from somewhere else. Besides, since Fedex is a CASS airline, and they say we are still allowing CASS jumpseating, why can't I sign up for a personal jumpseat and go thru the CASS system?

Something just doesn't add up....

 

[SF3CA]

I also listened to the conference call from DW and something he mentioned was that the company was NOT happy that we picked Washington D.C. to do informational pickiting. Not alowing personal jumpseats would stop the jumpseating to the pickiting! Just a thought.

 

[JethroF15]

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I have to second USNFDX's analysis. 1) If this had anything to do with contract negotiations, they wouldn't stop the "good" employees from using the jumpseat. and 2) Why would they do something this petty that will only have the same effect as the Optimizer?
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The more I think about this whole thing the more things just don't add up. Lets' see... OK to jumpseat in one case but not OK to jumpseat in another... even if it is the same crewmember! OK for an offline CASS pilot but not OK for a FedEx pilot! OK if the company saves money (i.e. business status for non-pilots OK) but not OK for personal travel!

As for klhoard's observation above... I think they would ABSOLUTELY stop personal jumpseats for everyone to get to the crewforce! Think about it... still OK to save money using business status! I think this has everything to do with the informational picketing. Now where is the next stop to get on that conspiracy theory bandwagon?!

 

[JethroF15]

And by the way... first thing tomorrow I order my hat and let the company pay for it!

 

[TAZ MAN]

Good luck guys. I can emphasize with you. I can't figure out completely if your hauling other carriers pilots but if not, no one in my airline would get ever get bent about you guys jumpseating. Even if you never got this fixed, you would always be welcome on our airline. As you always have.

Even klhoard! Even though I can't figure out his name either.

 

[JethroF15]

Good luck guys. I can emphasize with you. I can't figure out completely if your hauling other carriers pilots but if not, no one in my airline would get ever get bent about you guys jumpseating. Even if you never got this fixed, you would always be welcome on our airline. As you always have.

Even klhoard! Even though I can't figure out his name either.

Thanks TAZ... I know you and I have bumped heads on this board before but thanks for the support on this one... Jethro

 

[dogman]

I completely agree that stopping personal jumpseating for pilots has to do with informational picketing. I bet this situation won't be resolved until after the shareholding meeting.

 

[TAZ MAN]

Thanks TAZ... I know you and I have bumped heads on this board before but thanks for the support on this one... Jethro

You always have my support brutha. This forum is for some information and entertainment only. I try not to take this too seriously. There is no way that any of us would behave like this if we had to put our name out there.

I least I hope not.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

FX pilots can jumpseat anytime, regardless, on my jet..... more than one? Come one come all.....




We not me.

 

[Sluggo_63]

Reading the email over and over, I think that the IT issue is what the point is. IMHO, the company has to stop all non-crewmember PERSONAL jumpseating.

The system will only allow us to book a staging jumpseat from our staging bases.

The site we use to sign up is the same as a non-crewmember uses to sign up.

The computer is not set up to allow just crewmembers use PERSONAL jumpseats, so they have to stop all personal jumpseating until they can only allow crewmember personal jumpseating.

It's clear in my head, but when finger go to keyboard, it sounds confusing. I think it's just a reprogramming issue that's gumming up the works.

 

[JethroF15]

Reading the email over and over, I think that the IT issue is what the point is. IMHO, the company has to stop all non-crewmember PERSONAL jumpseating.

The system will only allow us to book a staging jumpseat from our staging bases.

The site we use to sign up is the same as a non-crewmember uses to sign up.

The computer is not set up to allow just crewmembers use PERSONAL jumpseats, so they have to stop all personal jumpseating until they can only allow crewmember personal jumpseating.

It's clear in my head, but when finger go to keyboard, it sounds confusing. I think it's just a reprogramming issue that's gumming up the works.

I not buying it. This company went for years without using the web to book jumpseats. The jumpseat ladies still answer the phones. Even with the system full up you still can't book any status jumpseat on the 727 on the web. You have to call the jumpseat people to book it. Plus, a crewmember can book a business status jumpseat without any approval and the system doesn't care what your staging base is.
Hope you are right. I've just seen this company "spin" things their way when they needed to make a point with the pilot group.

 

[Eagleflip]

You guys come fly with us B6 folks all you want...we'll keep a seat open for ya.

Best of luck with this one, dudes. Hang tough.

And Jethro, keep that snake holstered...

 

[USNFDX]

I am personaly waiting for more info before I point fingers!

 

[PurpleTail]

I completely agree that stopping personal jumpseating for pilots has to do with informational picketing. I bet this situation won't be resolved until after the shareholding meeting.

Of the 4500 pilots about 4000 are based in MEM. So even if you did have plans to attend Sept 26th you could still fly in from wherever you live to MEM and list as staging. Right?

It does take much for us to get suspicious but I actually think the company computer has been hacked, so to speak. If I am wrong or being naive than than shame on the company.

Personally I would like an explaination by the end of the week but for legal and safety reason it'll probably be longer.

 

[JethroF15]

Of the 4500 pilots about 4000 are based in MEM. So even if you did have plans to attend Sept 26th you could still fly in from wherever you live to MEM and list as staging. Right?

It does take much for us to get suspicious but I actually think the company computer has been hacked, so to speak. If I am wrong or being naive than than shame on the company.

Personally I would like an explaination by the end of the week but for legal and safety reason it'll probably be longer.

Only if you are within 3 days of the start or end of a trip or training event.

 

[HoursHore]

So the pilots that choose to live in domicle cannot Jump anywhere, since we cannot "stage", yet a month ago before I moved I would reman unaffected. Can't even get home from Drill now with out ACP aproval or going offline. Fricking Joke.

 

[TonyC]

It does take much for us to get suspicious but I actually think the company computer has been hacked, so to speak. If I am wrong or being naive than than shame on the company.

If that's the case, it would make sense to suspend all personal jumpseats immediately. That's not what happened. Instead, all personal jumpseats that were previously reserved may travel, but no more reservations may be made.

It makes no sense.

Whatever the problem, this is not the solution.

Business can still reserve.

CASS can still reserve.




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[Rez O. Lewshun]

Tony C.,

I've read the email. I take it as the company putting a shot over the bow. If it were legit there would've been more effort to correct, more explanation and more sympathy.

UPS got problems?

Looks like negotiations and the dirty are coming along fine.... After it is all said and done, everybody is friends again, nothing personal...but what about the bitter?


Stay sane.


We not me.

 

[AlbieF15]

...the passenger carriers will benefit from this, because I think if guys have any heartburn with our own jumpseat program they'll just go ahead and burn up their deviation account buying tickets at the end of trips instead of traveling on the company. As a commuter, I pretty much live off my deviation bank anyway, but I've heard a lot of guys (especially those who live in domicile) save the company a lot of money by not using their entire bank. I wonder if this will cause more of those funds to be spent...

 

[fr8doggie]

...the passenger carriers will benefit from this, because I think if guys have any heartburn with our own jumpseat program they'll just go ahead and burn up their deviation account buying tickets at the end of trips instead of traveling on the company. As a commuter, I pretty much live off my deviation bank anyway, but I've heard a lot of guys (especially those who live in domicile) save the company a lot of money by not using their entire bank. I wonder if this will cause more of those funds to be spent...

You can use business category to j/s back to domicile in lieu of using the tickets so the personal j/s ban does not apply. Also, it is a lot easier to ride on our system rather than submit to the loving hands of the TSA.

I don't think that it will have much of an effect on company travel costs.