XO Jet Hawkers

[X-rated]

Netjets has much better pilots too.

Yep, and that too. Well played sir! :beer:

 

[NJAowner]

Cldsf79 -- please do believe all marketing "hype". If you can figure out how I get to fly in one of those new $10 Billion of jets new ordered jets today I'd love it -- the fact is my last flight was on a 2000 model year Excel. Do you fly one of those new jets which is on order or do you fly one of the older ones which I seem to ride on? I think that most of the pilots fly what I fly.

The reality of the issue is that the $10 Billion of new planes MAY come in the future. Owners today are being asked to buy them, but fly in old planes. Would you pay full price for a brand new car if 95%+ of you are driving you will get a 10 year old car? I certainly hope not.

Times have changed and the business of private aviation (like many industries) is evolving. 10 years ago it was very difficult to buy a used share in a fractional, today they are plentiful. 10 years agao fractional was the main game in town, today there are other options. 10 years ago NJ was the 2000 lb gorilla in the market and had intense owner loyalty. Things are very different today.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

So true, NJOwner. We have become Flight Options with an attitude. Problem is, we can't expect loyalty from our owners because the people running the company don't act like they own it.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

I should add that FO has become us.
We are FLOPtions circa 1999 now. Used jets, new excuses

 

[NJAowner]

Note to all who misread my posts: my intention behind each of my posts is not to inflame or bash NJA or any other provider -- my intention (after reading what is posted on here) is to provide facts from a different viewpoint -- as a consumer of private aviation services. Other than in sales meetings and literature (which I can discount), I do not get the "ra ra - we are great" cheerleading sessions many of you may attend your respective places of employment, nor the "hang in there it is getting much better" speeches. The posts are just my unbiased experience.

Do we have a pool for how long it takes JJ to post that I am not an owner. I"ll take the 2-4 hour window box. It is a Sunday morning and he is cleaning his thongs in a hotel bathroom somewhere.

 

[gunfyter]

"If the Italian did nothing, all we have left is Strength to make life slightly less frightening."

--Daniel Miller-- Mr Berman's English class, Riverdale NY circa 1976.


I keep having a recurring dream that Santulli is coming back ....

 

[LAZYB]

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I keep having a recurring dream that Santulli is coming back ....

The biggest thing holding Santulli back is WB's pride. When he is out of the picture and the Berkshire caretakers look at how NJA fits their investment model... all bets are off.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Would depend on how Milestone works out for Mr. S.

 

[billybob]

Would like to see RTS back. Handshake was good back in his day, say what you want. Better than the scum at Nja now

 

[propsarebest]

The Hawkers are not long for this world...

 

[jetwash]

I was wondering why XO went with the Hawkers when both Netjets and Flight Options started to sell them off due to high MX costs of parts.

 

[jonjuan]

I was wondering why XO went with the Hawkers when both Netjets and Flight Options started to sell them off due to high MX costs of parts.

Xo is 68ing the hawkers.

 

[X-rated]

Many thought they were a bad idea from the beginning if for no other reason than the marketing implications of taking NJA's hand-me-downs. I just hope they find room for everyone in the other fleets.

 

[x402]

Xo is 68ing the hawkers.

Is that '86' ing? Like "86 on the the Fish Special."

 

[gret]

Same question...I looked it up and found this-

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=68ing

68ing is the same thing as 69ing except one of the partners is fat

i was 68ing with lauren until she stopped for a food break​

 

[t-bone]

No official word yet, but all indications are the Hawker fleet is in disposal. It also looks like the pilots are being absorbed into the other fleets. 5 start C750 initial training next week. 3 have transitioned over to the Shuttle operation as well...more to follow

 

[CALRepublic]

Not that facts should ever get in the way of FlightInfo posts, but cldfsr the XOJet X flett in much younger than NJA. Based upon a a rough look of the FAA database, NJA has old 6 X's that are model year 2204 or newer (representing 10% of the 59 X's I found registered to NJA), vs. 11 XOJets of the same age repreenting 53% of its fleet. IN fact 84% of NJA's fleet is 2002 or older (17 2002s, 15 2001s, 9 2000s, and 9 from last century). Once upon a time NJA advertised it had the newest fleet in the business but that was a long time ago.

And be careful of what you say, becuase just a few months before XOJet repainted and refurbished them, NJ was flying them beat up, unrefurbished, in what ever condition they were in, but charged premium prices for it, and told and billed owners for refubishing the jets every 3-4 years but sytretched that to 8 years.

Sounds like Netjets is on your poop list...

In about 3 years time XOJET will be on that list as well. I promise you

 

[BushwickBill]

same question...i looked it up and found this-

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=68ing

68ing is the same thing as 69ing except one of the partners is fat

i was 68ing with lauren until she stopped for a food break​

lmao!

 

[imacdog]

Sounds like repainting and refurbishing can't polish an old turd, eh NJAOwner?

 

[t-bone]

No official word yet, but all indications are the Hawker fleet is in disposal. It also looks like the pilots are being absorbed into the other fleets. 5 start C750 initial training next week. 3 have transitioned over to the Shuttle operation as well...more to follow

This is now confirmed. No jobs lost. All Hawker pilots have seats in the other fleets.

No explanation for the change in direction. However it's not hard to figure that out, with as much as they were down for mx.