XJT strike-training?

[Nova]

I'm curious too. How wasn't your job protected? Even those furloughed had Commutair as an option.

 

[cardinalflyer]

I interviewed in July and was given a class date of September (ATR). When CAL/COEX announced that they were furloughing thousands the Saturday following 9/11/01, I was called the following Monday and told the I was still going to have a job with COEX when the furloughs were recalled. This information was confirmed by the union rep for furloughed pilots (I forgot her name) that all pool pilots were going to have their conditional offers honored. It did not happen.

 

[Nova]

First, you were never on the seniority list. Second, union representation is for those on that list. The person you talked to was a union liason, not an official union rep.


As far as I remember, those with offers of class dates were re-interviewed (nothing more than a formality) and given class dates again when the hiring restarted earlier this year. Did you not take them up on that offer? Yes, it would suck to "re-interview" but worse things have happened and you would still have a job.

If a strike were to happen the same could occur again. Those on the seniority list will be protected and those that aren't will be taken care of secondarily. I don't think this is the fault of the union. How would you expect it to be handled?

 

[cardinalflyer]

No, they did not reinterview those in the pool. The company should have been honest from the begining and said you have a conditional offer that has been revoked due to the unexpected change in the industry and not given anyone a false promise / hope. Secondly the union should not have made the promise that the offers of employment were going to be honored either. If I had only heard it from one source then that would have been completely different that hearing it from both the company and the union.

 

[Nova]

Get it in writing. Pilots on property do and it comes in the form of the contract.

Right after 9/11 the CEO stated that he felt that our operations would rebound to pre-9/11 staffing in 1 year time (everyone would be back on property). Obvoiusly that didn't happen but not as a result of management or the union. A lot of statements were made in those early few months but were based more on hope than on facts. No one made any promises I can assure you of that. Neither the company nor the union are that stupid. You may have take speculation as fact but that's your own doing. Had either party known that it would take 2 and a half years to get our furloughs back?

The one person I know who was in a similar situation applied, interviewed and now sits on property here. Those that were unable to didn't meet the 2004 hiring minimums. They were hired in 2001 with 600 hours TT and found the '04 miniums at 1200 hours TT and hadn't flown since 9/11. Everyone who had a tenative class date in 9/01 or 10/01 should have been able to log another 600 hours in the next 30 months.

It seems you may have been one of those few who got out of aviation post-9/11 assuming you had a guarantee of a job, nevermind that you never stepped foot on property and 2.5 years pasted. I don't see what happened as a suprise nor do I think it's out of line given the times and circumstances.