XJT ALPA EMAIL RE: Independence Furloughed Pilot Preferential Interviews

[rumorhasit]

Well say good bye to any hope of getting on with xjt this year if you are applying...call me a negative guy but I think all the guys and gals who don't have the "front of the line" card will be sucking pond water...

I wonder if J.B. Hunt is hiring....oh well f/k it!!!! who needs dreams...

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Well say good bye to any hope of getting on with xjt this year if you are applying...call me a negative guy but I think all the guys and gals who don't have the "front of the line" card will be sucking pond water...

I wonder if J.B. Hunt is hiring....oh well f/k it!!!! who needs dreams...

I wouldn't say this is the situation by any stretch of the imagination. It is unclear at this time a) how many of the 500ish furloughed Indy pilots are interested and b) how many we will hire. Keep plugging and building experience (not just "time").

-Neal

 

[BigShotXJTdrvr]

Well say good bye to any hope of gettingon with xjt this year if you are applying...call me a negativeguy butIthink all the guys and gals who don't have the "front of theline"cardwill be sucking pond water...

I wonder if J.B. Hunt is hiring....oh well f/k it!!!! who needs dreams...

One thing is certain. We don't want any quitters, or people who throw in the towel before they even try.

You think this is an easy business? You think you're going to getinvited to fly A380's at FedEx and work 12 days a month straight out offlight school? It's a difficult profession the whole way, ALL theway,and sometimes it stays difficult even after you make it to the"top" jobs. There is nothing new here. I flew a Beech 1900 for a yearbefore going to the E145. An entire year! Well, I have talked toContinental mainline 757/767 guys who flew props 99s/1900s/E120s for8-10 years before hiring picked up and they could apply for betterjobs. I know guys here who flight instructed for 4-5 years beforegetting on here inthe mid-90s (and having to pay for the privilege, aswas common just about everywhere back then). That's about 4000 dualgiven dude--just to get a job as a 1900 FO.

Right now you have to make a choice if this is what you want or not. Ifit is, then you have to do two things 1) Keep plugging awayflying/applying/flying/applying and 2) Realize you will NEVER beguaranteed anything in this business. If you do those two things youwill probably have a very happy and satisfying airline career.

 

[msk2468]

I wouldn't say this is the situation by any stretch of the imagination. It is unclear at this time a) how many of the 500ish furloughed Indy pilots are interested and b) how many we will hire. Keep plugging and building experience (not just "time").

-Neal

You know it has obviously become more competitive with the indy guys, but it's not a done deal. For one thing other very reputable regionals are hiring these guys (Air Wisconsin right there in Dulles and Skywest) and I think some are leaving the business all together. So there are some spots to be had. A lot of us are in similar situations, just keep pligging away and you never know.

 

[rumorhasit]

One thing is certain. We don't want any quitters, or people who throw in the towel before they even try.

You think this is an easy business? You think you're going to getinvited to fly A380's at FedEx and work 12 days a month straight out offlight school? It's a difficult profession the whole way, ALL theway,and sometimes it stays difficult even after you make it to the"top" jobs. There is nothing new here. I flew a Beech 1900 for a yearbefore going to the E145. An entire year! Well, I have talked toContinental mainline 757/767 guys who flew props 99s/1900s/E120s for8-10 years before hiring picked up and they could apply for betterjobs. I know guys here who flight instructed for 4-5 years beforegetting on here inthe mid-90s (and having to pay for the privilege, aswas common just about everywhere back then). That's about 4000 dualgiven dude--just to get a job as a 1900 FO.

Right now you have to make a choice if this is what you want or not. Ifit is, then you have to do two things 1) Keep plugging awayflying/applying/flying/applying and 2) Realize you will NEVER beguaranteed anything in this business. If you do those two things youwill probably have a very happy and satisfying airline career.

I totally understand that...I have already been furloughed (sortta-changed jobs against my will so i guess that qualifies) and I am not even in an airplane yet...Cost me a marriage (suffering from AIDS=Airline Induced Divorced Syndrome) and working in a job I am not really crazy about just to have an opprotunity...

Tell me this O'wise forum....Why are there Pilots who obviously hate their job give the company so much grief about...I don't know flying what they are scheduled when there are so many of us who would give their left nut to fly the routes? Refuse to take a flight because you have a scheduled (a legal day according to contract and faa regs)flight.... so you call in FAT because the sandwiches the outstation provide for you at 12 o'clock at night(there is nothing open at alot of these outstations at 12 am)is not good enough. All the while 30 plus pax are given to other airlines and flights are cancelled....why?

Just do everyone a favor...work somewhere else please so that the ones who care about what they are doing can...

I totally know I am opening a can of Flame Bait but some are struggling to get to where some of these guys are and the current guys just don't care...wtf?

 

[Bad-Andy]

....Why are there Pilots who obviously hate their job give the company so much grief about...I don't know flying what they are scheduled when there are so many of us who would give their left nut to fly the routes? Refuse to take a flight because you have a scheduled (a legal day according to contract and faa regs)flight.... so you call in FAT because the sandwiches the outstation provide for you at 12 o'clock at night(there is nothing open at alot of these outstations at 12 am)is not good enough. All the while 30 plus pax are given to other airlines and flights are cancelled....why?

Why?!?!?!?!? I'll tell you why. SAFETY. Listen you illiterate, ignorant, boob... I don't care how much you really want to work here, or how many of you guys are willing to "go the extra mile" for the company. We don't need people like you here. Many good people fought long and hard to get us the ability to call FAT (as you put it) without serious repercussions. How dare you come on here and whine about us looking out for our ALPA brethren and then start bashing people that have the guts to call fatigued? Stay away from XJet. I NEVER want to fly with you. (The Indy guys, on the other hand, get the first round of beers on me...). As for those 30 passengers, ask any of them if they would rather be a little inconvenienced or put at risk. What a stupid reason to push a flight. Hopefully your attitude is better than it looks on here...

 

[BigShotXJTdrvr]

HaHaHa........

sandwiches at outstations at 12am

They bring us warm cookies and milk too.


The only food I've EVER seen at a CAL hub late at night has been whatever leftovers they could rob off a 737.

 

[rumorhasit]

Why?!?!?!?!? I'll tell you why. SAFETY. Listen you illiterate, ignorant, boob... I don't care how much you really want to work here, or how many of you guys are willing to "go the extra mile" for the company. We don't need people like you here. Many good people fought long and hard to get us the ability to call FAT (as you put it) without serious repercussions. How dare you come on here and whine about us looking out for our ALPA brethren and then start bashing people that have the guts to call fatigued? Stay away from XJet. I NEVER want to fly with you. (The Indy guys, on the other hand, get the first round of beers on me...). As for those 30 passengers, ask any of them if they would rather be a little inconvenienced or put at risk. What a stupid reason to push a flight. Hopefully your attitude is better than it looks on here...

First of all you hurt my feelings....
No seriously "a hole" the point I was trying to make is SOME of the pilots misuse the FAT call....If you even try to disagree...you SIR a full of sht....If you can honestly sit there on your FAT a$$ and tell me no one misuses the system then you need a serious drug test...

So a crew who started at 1800 with only one leg previously is really FAT....? Actually I was Referring to the attitude you are presenting by your response...Thank you so much for proving my point....

I have no problem with FAT but only when it is clearly abused and cost the company money...if you disagree with that then Oh hell yea I hope I never fly with you...
And for the record there is no repercussions for calling in FAT from the company and I hope there never is...but responsible pilots who aren't spoiled little shtheads like yourself need to either quite being a pain in the A$$ and do the job or get the F/k out so someone who does the job can....
Sometimes you pre-madona's forget who pays the bills....I don't drink the "company's coolaid" but I sure as hell cash the checks every month...

AS FOR THE PERSONAL ATTACKS....I really don't care what YOU think about anything anyway...you have no bearing on my success or failure so GOOD DAY AND PI$$ UP A ROPE...

 

[rumorhasit]

Why?!?!?!?!? I'll tell you why. SAFETY. Listen you illiterate, ignorant, boob... I don't care how much you really want to work here, or how many of you guys are willing to "go the extra mile" for the company. We don't need people like you here. Many good people fought long and hard to get us the ability to call FAT (as you put it) without serious repercussions. How dare you come on here and whine about us looking out for our ALPA brethren and then start bashing people that have the guts to call fatigued? Stay away from XJet. I NEVER want to fly with you. (The Indy guys, on the other hand, get the first round of beers on me...). As for those 30 passengers, ask any of them if they would rather be a little inconvenienced or put at risk. What a stupid reason to push a flight. Hopefully your attitude is better than it looks on here...[/QUOTE

GREAT ATTITUDE...

 

[MJG]

Dude you might want to take your application elsewhere, you're certainly not making any friends here.

For you to start insinuating that our pilots or any other airline's pilots abuse fatigue rules is just ignorant.

 

[AJL5236]

Heard the min.'s are 1000/200 now.. Are they being applied to people who have applied when the min's were 600/100 and their names are in with peoploscout already?

 

[Ben Franklin]

who would give their left nut to fly the routes? Refuse to take a flight because you have a scheduled (a legal day according to contract and faa regs)flight.... so you call in FAT because the sandwiches the outstation provide for you at 12 o'clock at night(there is nothing open at alot of these outstations at 12 am)is not good enough. All the while 30 plus pax are given to other airlines and flights are cancelled....why?

The last time I called in FATIGUED, your family was on board and I didn't want to kill them as I could barely stay awake. I would have given my left nut for more than 4 hours of sleep the night before, some food in the previous 15 hours and weather above 200 & 1/2 to work with, too but, son, sometimes it just doesn't work out like that.

Take your application, student pilot logbook, foggles and $65,000 over to Gulfstream, maybe you can buy yourself some right seat time in an E-120 if you hate your left nut that bad. I am sure the captain will watch as you shoot an ILS with your sporty's foggles on, make sure you put his name in your logbook as safety pilot.

Oh, and stay away from the airlines. You should join the circus instead, they are always looking for freaks with only one nut.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[Nova]

rumorhasit, you are a freakin' idiot. I guess it runs in the Scheduling family. The one and only time I called off fatigued the first words out of the scheduler's mouth was "you do realize that the flight will probably go out late now?" Hey, if safety isn't first it's at least in the Schedulers Top 10.

 

[CEO silly sap]

Rumor, dont you have a priciples of Navigation class your late for.

Get out of the computer lab and go to class. When you do take Flight Physiology and Human Factors, then you can repost.


Next to last tip: Put down the pilot slang dictionary, it was created by experience and used by the unexperienced.



Last tip: Go to Gulfstream or Mesa...

 

[Standby 1]

First of all you hurt my feelings....
No seriously "a hole" the point I was trying to make is SOME of the pilots misuse the FAT call....If you even try to disagree...you SIR a full of sht....If you can honestly sit there on your FAT a$$ and tell me no one misuses the system then you need a serious drug test...

So a crew who started at 1800 with only one leg previously is really FAT....? Actually I was Referring to the attitude you are presenting by your response...Thank you so much for proving my point....

I have no problem with FAT but only when it is clearly abused and cost the company money...if you disagree with that then Oh hell yea I hope I never fly with you...
And for the record there is no repercussions for calling in FAT from the company and I hope there never is...but responsible pilots who aren't spoiled little shtheads like yourself need to either quite being a pain in the A$$ and do the job or get the F/k out so someone who does the job can....
Sometimes you pre-madona's forget who pays the bills....I don't drink the "company's coolaid" but I sure as hell cash the checks every month...

AS FOR THE PERSONAL ATTACKS....I really don't care what YOU think about anything anyway...you have no bearing on my success or failure so GOOD DAY AND PI$$ UP A ROPE...

Pssssst....in case you weren't aware, all you are doing is coming off as a bitter wannabe. Not cool. Let's face it, you're just ticked off because you'd give anything in the world to be an "airline pilot" and you are jealous as all get out of those who already are. Green is not your color. But it doesn't change the fact that you are NOT a pilot for any airline. Therefore, your opinions regarding pilot working conditions don't mean squat.








..

 

[plunger]

I think it's great that Xjet is giving the furloughed guys/gals preferential interviews. That's the way it should be. Of course, my chances of getting the call are nill now, but hey, sometimes that's the way the cookie crumbles.

 

[rumorhasit]

First of all I knew this would cause issues that's why I said flame bait....

My comments were not meant to insult but to ask why...I see it on this site people don't like their job and I just want to understand why they are still doing it. If everyone who responded with the personal attacks would understand I am trying to understand why SOME pilots do what they do. If you don't think I am "making any friends" on this site by asking the difficult questions then I am sorry but I have learned from this forum. Believe it, I HAVE SUPPORTED AND STUCK UP FOR THE PILOT GROUP EVERYTIME AND ANYTIME REGARDING MOST OF THE ISSUES THAT COME UP HERE(WHICH IS SAYING A LOT)....BUT WHEN THINGS LIKE I DESCRIBED EARLIER IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN. And actually I spoke up when the above incident and defended the call to several of my co-workers...(not the company's but the personal perception)

IF YOU DISAGREE WITH MY QUESTIONS THEN I CAN'T NOR WILL I TRY TO CHANGE THAT...BUT I DO WANT TO GET THE POINT ACROSS THAT I AM ASKING TO UNDERSTAND NOT TO INSULT ANY DECISION MADE...it seems that SOME pilots don't like their job and a lot of folks would like to be in their place...that was the ultimate point I was trying to make!!!

I HAVE USED THIS FORUM TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I AM NOT IN THE SEAT. PLEASE (OR not I don't care)UNDERSTAND I DO WANT TO FLY AND I EXPRESS CONCERNS OR PRESENT QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ASK ANYWHERE ELSE. I DOn't understand what the hostility is about ...AND YES I am not crazy about my job and Yes I was a little discouraged when I wrote the orginal reply...

 

[Nova]

...it seems that SOME pilots don't like their job anda lot of folks would like to be in their place...

Who cares. A lot of people don't like their job but why make sucha big deal out of it. As someone above said your comments arerooted in jealousy and nothing more so no one wants to listen to youpine over this job or lay critizisms (especially since you haven't doneit).

 

[Standby 1]

I see it on this site people don't like their job and I just want to understand why they are still doing it.

Some thoughts for you:

1. Where is it written that everyone absolutely must LOVE their job? To my knowledge, it's not a requirement anywhere. Do you get upset when you run into an accountant or a grocery store clerk that doesn't just LOVE their job? If they don't absolutely adore their job, where is it written that they should resign and make room for all the people out there who would give anything to be an accountant or a grocery store clerk?

2. Let's take someone, as an example, who spends thousands of dollars on schooling and X-number of years to become an attorney. Along the way they get married and have a couple of kids. At some point the attorney realizes that the job doesn't have the idealism he thought it would. Instead, he finds that in order to put food on the table and pay the mortgage, he's having to take boring cases. He really doesn't like his job. What would you expect him to do? He's not trained in any other field. Should he quit and take a job flipping burgers, not make his house payments, and not be able to feed his kids????

3. If you think this job is perfect then you haven't learned a thing from this board. Do you think problems within any company are fixed just magically? People have to complain first or nothing will ever get fixed. That goes for any company out there, not just airlines. Just because someone complains does NOT automatically mean they hate their job. Perhaps they like their job enough to want to see improvements.


It's easy to fall into the bitterness trap when you want something soooooo bad and see other people that have already achieved it. Believe me, I know. And the easy way to spew out that bitterness is to tell others to quit if they don't like it, because you are so danged certain that you would never, ever complain if you had their job. But here's the thing - you have to walk a mile in another's shoes to fully comprehend any situation like this. Most of us who fly for airlines have indeed walked about a thousand miles in your shoes. You have never walked in ours. So who which of us do you think has a better grasp on the situation?

With a lot of patience and a bit of luck, you will someday be at an airline. If you're smart, you'll print this thread out (particularly your posts in it), put it away somewhere and then read it someday after you're employed by an airline.






...

 

[EMB170Pilot]

I took those excat classes at riddle ceo silly sap