XJT ALPA EMAIL RE: Independence Furloughed Pilot Preferential Interviews

[AJL5236]

Heard the min.'s are 1000/200 now.. Are they being applied to people who have applied when the min's were 600/100 and their names are in with peoploscout already?

 

[Ben Franklin]

who would give their left nut to fly the routes? Refuse to take a flight because you have a scheduled (a legal day according to contract and faa regs)flight.... so you call in FAT because the sandwiches the outstation provide for you at 12 o'clock at night(there is nothing open at alot of these outstations at 12 am)is not good enough. All the while 30 plus pax are given to other airlines and flights are cancelled....why?

The last time I called in FATIGUED, your family was on board and I didn't want to kill them as I could barely stay awake. I would have given my left nut for more than 4 hours of sleep the night before, some food in the previous 15 hours and weather above 200 & 1/2 to work with, too but, son, sometimes it just doesn't work out like that.

Take your application, student pilot logbook, foggles and $65,000 over to Gulfstream, maybe you can buy yourself some right seat time in an E-120 if you hate your left nut that bad. I am sure the captain will watch as you shoot an ILS with your sporty's foggles on, make sure you put his name in your logbook as safety pilot.

Oh, and stay away from the airlines. You should join the circus instead, they are always looking for freaks with only one nut.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[Nova]

rumorhasit, you are a freakin' idiot. I guess it runs in the Scheduling family. The one and only time I called off fatigued the first words out of the scheduler's mouth was "you do realize that the flight will probably go out late now?" Hey, if safety isn't first it's at least in the Schedulers Top 10.

 

[CEO silly sap]

Rumor, dont you have a priciples of Navigation class your late for.

Get out of the computer lab and go to class. When you do take Flight Physiology and Human Factors, then you can repost.


Next to last tip: Put down the pilot slang dictionary, it was created by experience and used by the unexperienced.



Last tip: Go to Gulfstream or Mesa...

 

[Standby 1]

First of all you hurt my feelings....
No seriously "a hole" the point I was trying to make is SOME of the pilots misuse the FAT call....If you even try to disagree...you SIR a full of sht....If you can honestly sit there on your FAT a$$ and tell me no one misuses the system then you need a serious drug test...

So a crew who started at 1800 with only one leg previously is really FAT....? Actually I was Referring to the attitude you are presenting by your response...Thank you so much for proving my point....

I have no problem with FAT but only when it is clearly abused and cost the company money...if you disagree with that then Oh hell yea I hope I never fly with you...
And for the record there is no repercussions for calling in FAT from the company and I hope there never is...but responsible pilots who aren't spoiled little shtheads like yourself need to either quite being a pain in the A$$ and do the job or get the F/k out so someone who does the job can....
Sometimes you pre-madona's forget who pays the bills....I don't drink the "company's coolaid" but I sure as hell cash the checks every month...

AS FOR THE PERSONAL ATTACKS....I really don't care what YOU think about anything anyway...you have no bearing on my success or failure so GOOD DAY AND PI$$ UP A ROPE...

Pssssst....in case you weren't aware, all you are doing is coming off as a bitter wannabe. Not cool. Let's face it, you're just ticked off because you'd give anything in the world to be an "airline pilot" and you are jealous as all get out of those who already are. Green is not your color. But it doesn't change the fact that you are NOT a pilot for any airline. Therefore, your opinions regarding pilot working conditions don't mean squat.








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[plunger]

I think it's great that Xjet is giving the furloughed guys/gals preferential interviews. That's the way it should be. Of course, my chances of getting the call are nill now, but hey, sometimes that's the way the cookie crumbles.

 

[rumorhasit]

First of all I knew this would cause issues that's why I said flame bait....

My comments were not meant to insult but to ask why...I see it on this site people don't like their job and I just want to understand why they are still doing it. If everyone who responded with the personal attacks would understand I am trying to understand why SOME pilots do what they do. If you don't think I am "making any friends" on this site by asking the difficult questions then I am sorry but I have learned from this forum. Believe it, I HAVE SUPPORTED AND STUCK UP FOR THE PILOT GROUP EVERYTIME AND ANYTIME REGARDING MOST OF THE ISSUES THAT COME UP HERE(WHICH IS SAYING A LOT)....BUT WHEN THINGS LIKE I DESCRIBED EARLIER IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN. And actually I spoke up when the above incident and defended the call to several of my co-workers...(not the company's but the personal perception)

IF YOU DISAGREE WITH MY QUESTIONS THEN I CAN'T NOR WILL I TRY TO CHANGE THAT...BUT I DO WANT TO GET THE POINT ACROSS THAT I AM ASKING TO UNDERSTAND NOT TO INSULT ANY DECISION MADE...it seems that SOME pilots don't like their job and a lot of folks would like to be in their place...that was the ultimate point I was trying to make!!!

I HAVE USED THIS FORUM TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I AM NOT IN THE SEAT. PLEASE (OR not I don't care)UNDERSTAND I DO WANT TO FLY AND I EXPRESS CONCERNS OR PRESENT QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ASK ANYWHERE ELSE. I DOn't understand what the hostility is about ...AND YES I am not crazy about my job and Yes I was a little discouraged when I wrote the orginal reply...

 

[Nova]

...it seems that SOME pilots don't like their job anda lot of folks would like to be in their place...

Who cares. A lot of people don't like their job but why make sucha big deal out of it. As someone above said your comments arerooted in jealousy and nothing more so no one wants to listen to youpine over this job or lay critizisms (especially since you haven't doneit).

 

[Standby 1]

I see it on this site people don't like their job and I just want to understand why they are still doing it.

Some thoughts for you:

1. Where is it written that everyone absolutely must LOVE their job? To my knowledge, it's not a requirement anywhere. Do you get upset when you run into an accountant or a grocery store clerk that doesn't just LOVE their job? If they don't absolutely adore their job, where is it written that they should resign and make room for all the people out there who would give anything to be an accountant or a grocery store clerk?

2. Let's take someone, as an example, who spends thousands of dollars on schooling and X-number of years to become an attorney. Along the way they get married and have a couple of kids. At some point the attorney realizes that the job doesn't have the idealism he thought it would. Instead, he finds that in order to put food on the table and pay the mortgage, he's having to take boring cases. He really doesn't like his job. What would you expect him to do? He's not trained in any other field. Should he quit and take a job flipping burgers, not make his house payments, and not be able to feed his kids????

3. If you think this job is perfect then you haven't learned a thing from this board. Do you think problems within any company are fixed just magically? People have to complain first or nothing will ever get fixed. That goes for any company out there, not just airlines. Just because someone complains does NOT automatically mean they hate their job. Perhaps they like their job enough to want to see improvements.


It's easy to fall into the bitterness trap when you want something soooooo bad and see other people that have already achieved it. Believe me, I know. And the easy way to spew out that bitterness is to tell others to quit if they don't like it, because you are so danged certain that you would never, ever complain if you had their job. But here's the thing - you have to walk a mile in another's shoes to fully comprehend any situation like this. Most of us who fly for airlines have indeed walked about a thousand miles in your shoes. You have never walked in ours. So who which of us do you think has a better grasp on the situation?

With a lot of patience and a bit of luck, you will someday be at an airline. If you're smart, you'll print this thread out (particularly your posts in it), put it away somewhere and then read it someday after you're employed by an airline.






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[EMB170Pilot]

I took those excat classes at riddle ceo silly sap

 

[rumorhasit]

Yea I kindda answered my own question with the line "I don't like my job"....
It is hard sometimes to be on the outside looking in that's all...

 

[Standby 1]

It is hard sometimes to be on the outside looking in that's all...

No question about it, it's terrible to be looking in. Just remember that we were all there at one point, too (at least those of us who worked our way into an airline and didn't just buy the seat). Like everything else in this world, if it's worth having then it's worth waiting (and working) for. Hard work is rewarded in this field....never take the easy way and it will pay off for you. Really.






peace...







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[rumorhasit]

I also understand the hiring trend is not going to last very much longer so there is a sense of urgency to get on while you can...

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Airlines are just like the stock market my friend

Good year Bad Year Good year Bad year


I missed the massive hiring in the late 90s which I am very glad I did b/c I can assure you that I would have been furloghed by either ACA, COEX, or ASA (regionals I was looking at, at the time.

Glad I did not get hired on...I made the decision not to go from a 172 into an RJ...In fact I found it very scary for pilots with 500 hours going into a right seat in a jet. (sorry the way I feel) I wanted more PIC experience.

If you dont get on..dont sweat it........the airlines will have another massive hiring.

 

[sweptback]

Maybe I misunderstood but ASA has never furloughed to the best of my knowledge.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

ok well my bad be sitting reserve then

 

[Bad-Andy]

First of all you hurt my feelings....
No seriously "a hole" the point I was trying to make is SOME of the pilots misuse the FAT call....If you even try to disagree...you SIR a full of sht....If you can honestly sit there on your FAT a$$ and tell me no one misuses the system then you need a serious drug test...

So a crew who started at 1800 with only one leg previously is really FAT....? Actually I was Referring to the attitude you are presenting by your response...Thank you so much for proving my point....

There's no doubt some pilots misuse the fatigue call, just as some misuse sick calls, and some misuse the jumpseat policy... Who cares. Every industry has people that do that. Ours just happens to have peoples' lives in our hands every flight. Thus if you question one person's fatigue call, where do you draw the line? Who is to decide which calls are legit and which ones are not? You? From your vast pool of experience? Me, with mine? No, the answer is still NO ONE. We err on the side of safety. ALPA fought long and hard to get companies to do that. It is better for 10 guys to abuse the fatigue call than it is to force one fatigued pilot to fly and have an incident. And, Mr. High and Mighty, one bent wing on a bag cart or one plane stuck in the mud off a taxiway would cost our company A LOT more than 10 fatigue calls. So, don't even try and sound like you're saving the company money by that line of crap you typed. You come on here and make stupid statements, the subjects of which you have absolutely zero understanding of, and expect the rest of us to exalt you for your "new way of thinking"... Give me a break. Good luck, because as I said before I hope I don't share an XJet cockpit with you.

Signed,
An A$$hole that likes his job most of the time, but can't stand whining posers...

 

[JetLinkin Park]

Airlines are just like the stock market my friend

Good year Bad Year Good year Bad year


I missed the massive hiring in the late 90s which I am very glad Ididb/c I can assure you that I would have been furloghed by eitherACA,COEX, or ASA (regionals I was looking at, at the time.

Glad I did not get hired on...I made the decision not to go from a172into an RJ...In fact I found it very scary for pilots with 500hoursgoing into a right seat in a jet. (sorry the way I feel) I wantedmorePIC experience.

If you dont get on..dont sweat it........the airlines will have another massive hiring.

170,

I find your comments to be a little optimistic. I agree that thegoodtimes, bad times are typical in any career field, especially intheairline one. However, this is not a typical "downturn" fortheprofession. We are still recovering from the largest setback inthehistory of aviation and many many many thousands of pilots havebeen,and will be adversely affected in a negative way. The advice Ioffer topeople who wish to fly here in a regional setting is to getyour timeand get your interview. Seniority is everything, and withairlinesgoing away and list mergers- it's never been more relevant thannow.

As for missing the 90's boom. I got hired at XJT in early '01 andwillhold Captain very shortly. If you would have gotten hired when yousay,not only would you have not gotten furloughed, but you'd be acaptainin base of choice. I can't speculate this situation forothercarriers, but you'd be set here at XJT. Just my .02.

 

[nimtz]

rumorhasit,

I would say you could get in a piss match with most Xjet guys on thisboard, but the one I would avoid at all costs is BadAndy. Trustme he knows volumes more then you can ever imagine about thisprofession. Your crying over spilt milk anyways, there are plentyof companies hiring right now.