XJ pilots: Here is the lube, stand by for the big. . .

[tripacer]

May I ask what (besides ranting on Flighinfo.com) are you doing to fix this problem? Or are you like a lot of people and just point fingers, whine, and complain. Whenever the nominations come up for LEC reps, I see VERY few people (maybe 2 or 3?) on the ballot.

If you do speak out at union meetings, vote in the elections, and volunteer your time to the union, I apologize. I did not mean to generalize you. I just see SO much whining and SO little action from those whiners.

I say Fox-Uniform to our SLT (typing those letters makes me want to puke). Let the bankrupcy court ream me. At least I'll have a fresh face to look at while I'm being sodomized.

The bankruptcy court IS going to ream you, me, and the rest of us. It's all a done deal. Now we are all playing musical chairs and their wont be a chair for everyone. If you've ever volunteered or been involved with the union, you would know it's a rigged game. This banter against "the whiners" is used by our leaders and their followers to deflect the fact that they are not looking our for the groups best interest as a whole.

Let me ask you this - if you feel like you are going to get reamed and you wanna tell the SLT to F.U., why don't you as a Captain get together with other captains in your domicile and march up to ALPA HQ in MSP and demand Wee-chor do his frickin' job and represent us like we are demanding him to do. I guarantee if he thought for one second that he was about to get the boot from his captains, he would grow a spine. 100 Captains putting pressure on this MEC would be much more effective then the entire FO's raising hell.

And, I'll tell you what I told a NWA DC9 captain on this board who was bitching about "the whiners", but seemed to be waiting around for the sky to fall - quivering under his rock. - You're a Captain - ACT LIKE ONE.

 

[PCL_128]

The bankruptcy court IS going to ream you, me, and the rest of us. It's all a done deal. Now we are all playing musical chairs and their wont be a chair for everyone. If you've ever volunteered or been involved with the union, you would know it's a rigged game. This banter against "the whiners" is used by our leaders and their followers to deflect the fact that they are not looking our for the groups best interest as a whole.

Let me ask you this - if you feel like you are going to get reamed and you wanna tell the SLT to F.U., why don't you as a Captain get together with other captains in your domicile and march up to ALPA HQ in MSP and demand Wee-chor do his frickin' job and represent us like we are demanding him to do. I guarantee if he thought for one second that he was about to get the boot from his captains, he would grow a spine. 100 Captains putting pressure on this MEC would be much more effective then the entire FO's raising hell.

And, I'll tell you what I told a NWA DC9 captain on this board who was bitching about "the whiners", but seemed to be waiting around for the sky to fall - quivering under his rock. - You're a Captain - ACT LIKE ONE.

I don't know what you think being a "Captain" has to do with anything. FOs have just as much power to bring resolutions at the LEC level that Captains do. If you have a problem with your union leadership, then show up at the next Local Council meeting (bylaws require there to be one at least every quarter) and propose a resolution to recall your status reps. Forward the resolution to ALPA National and your LEC Chairman is required to put a recall vote on the agenda for the next meeting. If all of you are so fed up with your leadership, then frickin' do something instead of whining like a bunch of little girls!

 

[DoinTime]

But you do make a very good point of 9E not having a holdings company to force a bankrupcy.

Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. (the airline) is a subsidiary of Pinnacle Airlines, Corp. (the holding company). The difference between PNCL and MAIR is that PNCL does not bleed all the of the money off of their subsidiary companies. Why they don't do this I don't know.

 

[Simon Says]

Butters

The answer to your question regarding the pilots group vote is this:

There is NO memrat for a concessionary contract. And here is why.

First, I have talked to reps and they wont confirm nor deny MEMRAT for concessions. Which requires me to think back to our short history of this process.

We NEVER had MEMRAT before the 04' Contract. It was a few strong LEC reps (who are no longer here) that pushed for it. That MEMRAT vote, was for that contract only!! Unless it was written into the Bylaws permanently, which it wasn't, then this MEC can do whatever they feel "is in the best interest of the pilots group (the best interest of THEMSELVES).

Also if you'll remember that after the Contract was pushed thru by our leaderless MEC, we wanted permanent MEMRAT and the option to MEMRAT ANY LOA that came down the pike. Our MEC said NO, impossible! Reason: They didnt have time to pass along every contingency that might arise and there might be some that were time sensitive. BULL SH*T.

So you're right it'll probably come down to a judge, but it'll probably come down to Wee-chor voting for 20% simply because Woerthless told him to do so.

If you're an LEC/MEC rep reading this post and I am wrong, call me on this and tell me I am wrong.

Here's another way of looking at it. If the MEC is silent, besides the Payday Messages, then you know something negative is about to happen. Duane Woerthless is not going to let XJ pilots NOT take paycuts, when his own pilots just took a 23% pay cut exactly 1 week ago.

UMMM....OK, but your really don't know what you are talking about. And if anybody thinks he does then please call a Rep yourself and form your own opinion.

 

[Simon Says]

Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. (the airline) is a subsidiary of Pinnacle Airlines, Corp. (the holding company). The difference between PNCL and MAIR is that PNCL does not bleed all the of the money off of their subsidiary companies. Why they don't do this I don't know.

Really? I did not know that. Thanks for the info. (changes a few opinions of mine)

Who is the CEO of your holdings company?

 

[xjhawk]

yes! i say lets open up talks with the company! That way maybe i can get a raise and we can get some of that money we left of the table during our last contract talks to allow for a growth contract! Maybe then after i get a raise, i can make over 30 grand a year and maybe buy my dream house in a bad area or a house of about 800 sq feet! When the board of directors refund some of their salary and the execs do the same thing for doing such a piss poor job over the past few years, then maybe we allow them for talks for our raises.......when they sell their houses, and live on 25 grand a year, have no money left over for savings at the end of the month, then and only then can we begin these so called talks. Oh and by the way, join me at their houses picketing for the rights to have a house of my own........its criminal to think i need to accept any terms other than a pay raise! @#%$#@%%$!

 

[DoinTime]

Who is the CEO of your holdings company?

Pinnacle Corp does not have a dedicated management staff. Currently, the executive structure is common between the holding company and the airline.

 

[tripacer]

UMMM....OK, but your really don't know what you are talking about. And if anybody thinks he does then please call a Rep yourself and form your own opinion.

Tells us then Simon, what are our options. Enlighten us to the truth. Dont give us the ALPA spin "call your rep and then form your own opinion". Ive done that, and the info I received is what I posted here for all to read.

 

[CptMurf]

Tripacer,
You are SO misinformed and full of crap, I gotta wonder if your in Mgmt. and just wanting to split the pilot group by flamebaiting on FlightInfo.

MemRat was not used before the current contract because of time constraints and missinformation. The internet and instantanious information was in its infantcy in '96 there was no easy way to MemRat ours or anyone else's contract in such short notice. Now there is, it worked well for our contract and allowed NWA to TA an agreement in a week. If there are concessions negotiated, there will be MemRat to vote the TA in or out, period. Other issues do not need or require MemRat. Could you imagine a ratification vote on the LOA for the multi-class bid, it would never have passed, because nobody knew what it was or how it would work.

Wycor is not out to screw you, I seriously doubt any person or pilot that has dealt with him on any issues would tell you that he was out for himself. He has ALWAYS worked for the greater good of the group. Just because you may have felt screwed over because something didn't work in your favor or benefit you individually, doesn't mean that our MEC doesn't care about the ENTIRE pilot group. Your pathetic!

Here's the REAL issue, if we give concessions now, there is nothing stopping the company to file section 1113(c) and extract more concessions later. I'll wait for the judge to decide my fate and face the axe only once thank you very much.

 

[CptMurf]

If you've ever volunteered or been involved with the union, you would know it's a rigged game. This banter against "the whiners" is used by our leaders and their followers to deflect the fact that they are not looking our for the groups best interest as a whole.

BTW Kmox has volunteered for the union several times. Get a clue. If you've got a problem with our MEC, volunteer yourself. Take them solutions, don't just whine about YOUR problems on FlightInfo.