XJ pilots: Here is the lube, stand by for the big. . .

[saabservant]

that would be a leadership challenge for our respective association officers, and a change to the system (RLA, seperate contracts, etc.) There is no vision or courage evident for a UNIFIED effort, at this time...

No concessions! If the court forces them in 1113c, STFD!!

 

[Joe Patroni]

Dec 19th?

Sounds like something big is planned on Dec. 20.
I see some Avro's returning from their suntan.

 

[M-crit]

Hey Spanjers, whats your pay cut?

 

[Monster Buck]

To tie a few threads together...We should pull up to about 1.5 meters and communicate. Spongebob jingle pants can go fUkk himself.
Not one cent in any form.

 

[Simon Says]

I don't understand, why is it that only MAIR is in bankruptcy? Why isn't pinnacle in on this as well? Why is it that MAIR is having to consider pay cuts (cause we all know that the way to saving $$ is to cut the poor guys salary), and there is no talk from pinnacle people about pay cuts? What am I missing?

Here is the SHAM....and why 9E is not going into bankrupcy.

In the beginning, Mesaba wanted to open up our contract. The only way to do that is if ALPA agrees to open it up. Under ALPA by-laws we are not to open up concessionary contract talks until ALPA reviews ALL financial data from the company and deems it nessecary for concessionary talks. The company did not want to share that information so we were not going to enter into concessionary talks. Well, as everybody knows Mesaba then took the back door route to opening up our contract through bankrupcy. They will force our hand to open up our contract legally through a 1113c filing. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE ONLY REASON MESABA ENTERED INTO BANKRUPCY WAS TO OPEN UP THE PILOT CONTRACT.

To answer why 9E did not file bankrupcy is simple. Their contract is already open through Section 6 negotiations.

Folks, it is that simple.

 

[Butters]

I BELIEVE THIS IS THE ONLY REASON MESABA ENTERED INTO BANKRUPCY WAS TO OPEN UP THE PILOT CONTRACT.

To answer why 9E did not file bankrupcy is simple. Their contract is already open through Section 6 negotiations.

Folks, it is that simple.

So can't we count of those of you in the MEC to stand firm and tell the company to shove it or are we looking at another roll-over-and-take-it scenario?

 

[PCL_128]

The reason Mesaba Aviation is in BK but not Pinnacle is very simple: MAIR Holdings funnels all of Mesaba Aviation's profits back into the MAIR bank accounts and leaves Mesaba Aviation with virtually no cash as a buffer. Pinnacle on the other hand keeps all of it's profits without having to send any of it to some nebulous holding company. As a result, Pinnacle had $66 million in the bank to cushion the blow of not receiving the payments from NWA after the BK filing. Mesaba didn't have that cushion because their profits were sitting in MAIR bank accounts. Mesaba is actually quite profitable, but all of the money goes to MAIR, which loses money on other ventures such as Big Sky. The truth is, MAIR actually has tremendous amounts of cash on hand. I believe the number is somewhere around $120 million, but I could be off by $10 million or so.

 

[PCL_128]

So can't we count of those of you in the MEC to stand firm and tell the company to shove it or are we looking at another roll-over-and-take-it scenario?

I don't know why you think the responsibility all rests with the MEC on this. No matter what Wychor et al do, they will most likely send any TA out for membership ratification to avoid a lynching. The final decision will be up to you and the rest of your fellow pilots, just as it was a couple of years ago with the new contract. Don't blame the MEC for these things. The pilot group holds the ultimate decision.

 

[Butters]

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[Butters]

I don't know why you think the responsibility all rests with the MEC on this. No matter what Wychor et al do, they will most likely send any TA out for membership ratification to avoid a lynching. The final decision will be up to you and the rest of your fellow pilots, just as it was a couple of years ago with the new contract. Don't blame the MEC for these things. The pilot group holds the ultimate decision.

Not quite.

The pilots voted to strike in '03. When the deadline came due in '04, everyone was ready and willing to walk. The MEC decided to "keep negotiating", not the pilot group.

Why doesn't the MEC get some balls and tell the company to go to hell before we ever have to vote? The strong ALPA types always blame the pilot group when they have the far majority of the power in such matters.

How can you say "don't blame the MEC" when you have no idea what you are saying?