WWYD NetJets or Delta?

[cathaywannabe]

"WWYD NetJets or Delta?"

That is a question that each person will answer differently. Unfortunately answers to this thread have shown there are some real winners at both corporations.

I'm currently a NJA pilot. Been here about 2.5 years and still waiting to move over to the left seat. There are a lot of things I enjoy about NJA and I'm planning on staying. However, I have had some negative experiences at NJA too and sometimes I do wonder if the grass is greener. A couple times I have almost been pushed over the edge, but I haven't taken the leap into the FAR 121 world again (yet anyway).

I don't know a whole lot about DAL aside from some of the ex-DAL guys that work at NJA. Some real winners in that bunch too. I can't wait till I hear "well, we didn't climb out at M 0.62 at DAL when I was in the B-757" one more time. (I'm a firm believer in age 60 mandatory retirement for fractional pilots too)

What I have learned is that the amount of money you will make 5 years from now in this industry is fairly unpredictable and there are about 1,000 other factors which you should consider before leaping head first...many of those factors don't have anything to do with aviation, like your wife, residency, kids, taxes, etc.

For what it is worth, because of the "untouchables caste" the NJA pilot labor agreement has created in regards to domicile issues and inadequate pay, if I had to make the choice now I would probably go to DAL while holding my breath (after all, history shows us a majority of airlines that go through bankruptcy once will go through it again within 5 years).

Whatever your decision good luck, may your career be stress-free and successful!

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

.... NJ is a descent place to work, great benefits, good equipment, but it is not for everybody. ......

Finally, some truth and Wisdom!!!!! Now if we could all get along together!:beer:


Once again, I repeat myself..... QOL....QOL...Q..O..L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It all depends on your interpretation of those three letters.

 

[GogglesPisano]

That being said I'm sure that the majority of the guys at DAL are great guys, however Goggles had it coming.

And FoxJet didn't have it coming? Did you read his post? Predicting furloughs and begging for a job at Netjets? It was way over the line.

 

[higgy]

I dont know how DELTA pilots got such bad rap or being holly than thou etc..... All i can say is that that every retired Delta captain i have every flown with at Netjets has been great! All very humble, earger to learn, and happy to have a job at Netjets. I do ioe here and i have to tell you it was very referishing. Some of the nicest guys around. Thanks guys

 

[skiandsurf]

I have been out flying all over the country and caribbean. There is too much to read here, but in a nutshell....


NJ vs 121....

our people pay a lot of money to stay away from your people.

Went windsurfing in St Thomas this week.

Did a 7 day trip, and didnt see the same airport twice.

Bought 2 meals all week.

Had to fly on USAir and talked to a USAir pilot with 19 yrs seniority, that just got screwed by AmWest, and will NEVER upgrade to captain.

On same USAir flight, watched a non-rev get pulled from her seat, for a revenue pax.

I will work 7 days between June 6th and July 11th. I will be home for 2 weeks before my hawaii vacation. Maui Grand Wailai (sp). $600/night.....free for me.

Bought tickets on ATA, will be laughing at the non-revs we leave behind.

Domiciles, upgrades and FO pay.......this is a problem, and this is the only reason that nobody should apply at NJs.

 

[pilotpat]

Domiciles, upgrades and FO pay.......this is a problem, and this is the only reason that nobody should apply at NJs.

LOL...I'm still applying. Thank God I live "close" to TEB and my wife has a decent paying job! :beer:

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Does two Puerto Rico vacations, both for 5 nights, and not paying a dime count?

Tickets: AA or USAirways- Free on accumulated miles
Hotel: Embassy Suites San Juan-Free on Hilton points
Dinners and drinks: paid with AMEX gift card from Atlantic Bucks.....( Ok, some of it was paid from my winnings at the casino too )
...PRICELESS!!!

THats what some of the perks are... as added bennies.

 

[fischman]

10 days in Orlando with the kids at Embassy Suites. ----On points

Airline tickets for family of 4. ---- On miles

4 day hopper passes at Disney and 2 days at water parks. ---- On points.

Total cost of 10 days in Orlando? $500 for food, souvenirs, and ground transport.

 

[bosdrx]

10 days in Orlando with the kids at Embassy Suites. ----On points

Airline tickets for family of 4. ---- On miles

4 day hopper passes at Disney and 2 days at water parks. ---- On points.

Total cost of 10 days in Orlando? $500 for food, souvenirs, and ground transport.

I should point out that on my airline travel benefits, my fiance and I spent THREE TIMES that much on 3 and a half days with 2 theme parks, Kennedy Space Center, rental car and hotel. Oh, not to mention getting bumped off several flights and finally getting out on another airline because the "legacy carrier" I have benefits with can hardly handle their revenue pax. Nonrevs really are the bottom of the barrel... Tell me again how airline travel benefits beat the airline miles and hotel points?

 

[fischman]

I should point out that on my airline travel benefits, my fiance and I spent THREE TIMES that much on 3 and a half days with 2 theme parks, Kennedy Space Center, rental car and hotel. Oh, not to mention getting bumped off several flights and finally getting out on another airline because the "legacy carrier" I have benefits with can hardly handle their revenue pax. Nonrevs really are the bottom of the barrel... Tell me again how airline travel benefits beat the airline miles and hotel points?

They don't.

 

[GogglesPisano]

OK guys, I apologize if I came off as a ******************************. It's just that the FoxJet post wishing a furlough on Pat Fabin was pretty tasteless and it set me off. My post describing NetJets pilots as chauffers was tasteless too -- and obviously inaccurate. I continually complain about the level of civility on this board and then I proceeded to help "lower the bar" in that regard.

I've flown 135 and it is a demanding job, way more demanding than 121 and I have a great deal of respect for you guys. Since 9/11 I can see why flying for a major isn't the holy grail for everyone that it once was (although it still is for me.)

BTW, I don't work for Delta (although I am trying) so please don't take me as a representative of that group.

Peace.:beer:

 

[Mooneymite]

Does two Puerto Rico vacations, both for 5 nights, and not paying a dime count?

Tickets: AA or USAirways- Free on accumulated miles
Hotel: Embassy Suites San Juan-Free on Hilton points
Dinners and drinks: paid with AMEX gift card from Atlantic Bucks.....( Ok, some of it was paid from my winnings at the casino too )
...PRICELESS!!!

THats what some of the perks are... as added bennies.

Nice deal, glad it works for you. Unfortunatly, I used up all my points commuting to my NetJets domicile and staying in hotels the night before my trip begins. Those points don't accrue fast enough to cover the commute.

 

[Corona]

NJ vs 121....

our people pay a lot of money to stay away from your people.

OMG, that is funny!

I don't have a dog in this fight, but this thread has been pretty dammed funny!

It is interesting that the salary guesstimates for DAL and NJ have been very close, but I would say one thing to the folks who are relying on their Delta retirement to top NJ pay: Look at UAL. Same thing could probably happen to DAL pilots.

Money that isn't in your bank account isn't your money, period.

C

 

[FLYLOW22]

Just a question to ponder...

Say the latest terrorist plot to blow the fuel farm at JFK would have succeeded. This would have crippled operations at JFK. DAL is big there. The flying public would have reacted negatively... again. The TSA would definetely have a hand in the fall out.

How would this affect a job at DAL? Not good me thinks

How would it affect a job at NetJets? We'd likely sell a bunch of new owners... after they wait in line for thier plane to get delivered.

Domiciles and pay. They are horrid. The company knows it and they are trying to play a bad hand of poker with those 2 cards. It has, so far backfired on them in the form of attrition. I don't see them hanging around long term (dom and suck f/o pay). These are things for the company to heal thyself on.

5-7 year upgrades? If you wait for an APU maybe. We do have GPUs though in the meantime. They work quite well.

Every time an airline employee is rude or makes a bad call with a boatload of passengers I thank them. I thank them for making my job that much more secure.

Or you can go fly big jets cause they're big.

Now none of this is meant to be personally offending to any person... the industry just plain (plane) stinks.

 

[RNObased]

And FoxJet didn't have it coming? Did you read his post? Predicting furloughs and begging for a job at Netjets? It was way over the line.

Yeah he probably did have it coming.

 

[gunfyter]

JKF fuel farm blowing up would not be good for anyone...

We depend on the airlines to get us to our own planes. If something happens to the airlines... we cannot deliver our product

 

[JustInfo]

I thought that was why we are keeping the Ultras around, to shuttle the crews around! At least thats what a friend of a friend's brother told my F.O.....

 

[TurboJetCpt]

You'll make more $$$ at NJA...more retirement...but...you have Flight Attendants at Delta...hmmmmmmmm...GO DELTA !

http://www.getgirls.com/tips320.htm

 

[CA1900]

You'll make more $$$ at NJA...more retirement...but...you have Flight Attendants at Delta...hmmmmmmmm...GO DELTA !http://www.getgirls.com/tips320.htm

Our larger planes have flight attendants, too! imp:

 

[Guitar Guy]

I thought that was why we are keeping the Ultras around, to shuttle the crews around! At least thats what a friend of a friend's brother told my F.O.....

Yep, and those crew-shuttling Ultras will be crewed by ab initio pilots and interns. :beer:

Well, that's what I heard from this guy who's neighbor knows a woman who's daughter goes to college with the son of guy who works in the scheduling department.