WWYD NetJets or Delta?

[General Lee]

I think both are good companies to work for

I personally think Netjets is a wonderful company to work for, and probably the best fractional out there. They are well funded and seem to take care of their crews. I also like Delta, and being a Delta pilot I am probably biased. But, if I had to work for a fractional, I would try to work at Netjets. The only thing I don't like about Netjets currently is the lack of bases for newhires. It would be better for everyone if they home based or atleast added to the domiciles. (like CS) Other than that item, it is golden. If someone had to choose between DL and NJ, I would ask where they wanted to live, and if they could handle the 7 days away for Netjets. That could be hard on some families. Some people like not knowing exactly where they will be flying (fractional flying), and others like a set schedule a lineholder may have at a Major. Both offer a variety of aircraft, and both offer a variety of routes (both domestic flying and INTL flying).


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Freight Dog]

I'm surprised no one mentioned anything about NJA FO pay. I heard upgrades for those hired these days will run upwards of 5-7 years. That's a long time to go without a decent pay raise.

 

[learflyer]

I'm surprised no one mentioned anything about NJA FO pay. I heard upgrades for those hired these days will run upwards of 5-7 years. That's a long time to go without a decent pay raise.

But that's ok, it's netjets.

 

[tbkane]

It is amazing that the minute you say anything bad about NJ its like you attacked there mother. NJ is a descent place to work, great benefits, good equipment, but it is not for everybody. 121 flying at a major is by far easier and more lucrative. I did a study of how much I would earn by staying at NJ and by going back to DAL. Amazingly the pay over the next 30 years was within 100k (DAL being slightly more) but the retirement was so much more at DAL. We get 11% vs a 50% match at NJ up to 7.5% that small amount results in a ton over the course of a career.

The flying is although some would say boring, easier at DAL. Less work more time to worry about what your there to do fly. I understand that each person has an opinion but to bash one or the other makes no sense. Hoping for another downturn in aviation is not just shortsighted but also wrong. I don't wish ill will on NJ they are what they are, but to hope we will be "pulling gear for you in four years" jeesh you call DAL guys millitant but don't realize what your saying.

Who knows what 30 years will bring. NJ could be in trouble if they tax the airspace, DAL by low cost carriers. Each pick what is best for you but either job is not perfect!

 

[Daytonaflyer]

The analysis I did of the two company pay scales was based on upgrading at Delta in 9 years and NetJets in 5 years. 9 years is the current reality at Delta, however, 5 years is a worst case scenario for NetJets. Their most recent upgrade was 2 years ago. If you figure that into the totals, then NetJets 12 year base pay is significantly higher than Delta's.
Also I hear the rumors about 7 year upgrades at NetJets are exaggerated. My good friend was just hired by NetJets this week and they told him it should take about 3 years to upgrade at the interview.

 

[Fozzy]

My good friend was just hired by NetJets this week and they told him it should take about 3 years to upgrade at the interview.

And they told me a new contract and FFH was 6 months away. :0

 

[Ultra Grump]

I also did my DAL vs NJA pay scenarios, and making a bunch of (reasonable) assumptions, it would take me 5-8 years at DAL (assuming starting today) for the pay to become equal, and at that point I'd be almost $200,000 behind in total earnings. After 14 years, in one scenario I'd be $30,000 ahead in total earnings at DAL and in another scenario I'd be $20,000 behind. Financially, it would be a wash but the first 5-8 years would hurt. All things considered, I'll stay at NJA.

 

[RNObased]

It is amazing that the minute you say anything bad about NJ its like you attacked there mother.

It wasn't the attack on NJA, say all the bad things you want about them. God, knows I have. It was the holier then thou attitude, combined with a dash of, I'm a sky god because I'm at Delta attitude, that set me off.

That being said I'm sure that the majority of the guys at DAL are great guys, however Goggles had it coming.

 

[niteflyr]

I apologize for lumping all DAL pilots under the same "charm." The guys I know that fly for Delta are all great guys (most were from Western - go figure! LOL) They even thought of me when the hiring restarted and checked to see if I was still interested in getting on there. I too decided it would take too long to even up the pay and bennies to what I have now at NJA. I figure more like 12 years to get caught up.

 

[tbkane]

Also my analysis starts with my pay at sixth year as I am a furlough rufugee and still had two-three years to upgrade at NJ so my numbers will be way different than yours especially if your a captain allready.

 

[cathaywannabe]

"WWYD NetJets or Delta?"

That is a question that each person will answer differently. Unfortunately answers to this thread have shown there are some real winners at both corporations.

I'm currently a NJA pilot. Been here about 2.5 years and still waiting to move over to the left seat. There are a lot of things I enjoy about NJA and I'm planning on staying. However, I have had some negative experiences at NJA too and sometimes I do wonder if the grass is greener. A couple times I have almost been pushed over the edge, but I haven't taken the leap into the FAR 121 world again (yet anyway).

I don't know a whole lot about DAL aside from some of the ex-DAL guys that work at NJA. Some real winners in that bunch too. I can't wait till I hear "well, we didn't climb out at M 0.62 at DAL when I was in the B-757" one more time. (I'm a firm believer in age 60 mandatory retirement for fractional pilots too)

What I have learned is that the amount of money you will make 5 years from now in this industry is fairly unpredictable and there are about 1,000 other factors which you should consider before leaping head first...many of those factors don't have anything to do with aviation, like your wife, residency, kids, taxes, etc.

For what it is worth, because of the "untouchables caste" the NJA pilot labor agreement has created in regards to domicile issues and inadequate pay, if I had to make the choice now I would probably go to DAL while holding my breath (after all, history shows us a majority of airlines that go through bankruptcy once will go through it again within 5 years).

Whatever your decision good luck, may your career be stress-free and successful!

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

.... NJ is a descent place to work, great benefits, good equipment, but it is not for everybody. ......

Finally, some truth and Wisdom!!!!! Now if we could all get along together!:beer:


Once again, I repeat myself..... QOL....QOL...Q..O..L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It all depends on your interpretation of those three letters.

 

[GogglesPisano]

That being said I'm sure that the majority of the guys at DAL are great guys, however Goggles had it coming.

And FoxJet didn't have it coming? Did you read his post? Predicting furloughs and begging for a job at Netjets? It was way over the line.

 

[higgy]

I dont know how DELTA pilots got such bad rap or being holly than thou etc..... All i can say is that that every retired Delta captain i have every flown with at Netjets has been great! All very humble, earger to learn, and happy to have a job at Netjets. I do ioe here and i have to tell you it was very referishing. Some of the nicest guys around. Thanks guys

 

[skiandsurf]

I have been out flying all over the country and caribbean. There is too much to read here, but in a nutshell....


NJ vs 121....

our people pay a lot of money to stay away from your people.

Went windsurfing in St Thomas this week.

Did a 7 day trip, and didnt see the same airport twice.

Bought 2 meals all week.

Had to fly on USAir and talked to a USAir pilot with 19 yrs seniority, that just got screwed by AmWest, and will NEVER upgrade to captain.

On same USAir flight, watched a non-rev get pulled from her seat, for a revenue pax.

I will work 7 days between June 6th and July 11th. I will be home for 2 weeks before my hawaii vacation. Maui Grand Wailai (sp). $600/night.....free for me.

Bought tickets on ATA, will be laughing at the non-revs we leave behind.

Domiciles, upgrades and FO pay.......this is a problem, and this is the only reason that nobody should apply at NJs.