Wright fight getting ugly!

[enigma]

The Wright ammendment is a subsidy for AA without a doubt. That was not the initial intent, but that is the only purpose it serves now.

Sorry man, but the WA is a subsidy for DFW and the people whom it makes rich and powerful. If AA were the intended target of subsidization, DFW would never have offered free rent for a year, etc, to a LCC after Delta left. DFW would turn on AA in a minute if it meant keeping their fiefdom. did I spell feifdom right?

enigma

 

[Rook]

An American guy calling a SWA guy, arrogant? Never thought that would happen

I don't have a dog in this fight but that was freakin' hilarious.

 

[ivauir]

Ya,

NWA,DAL,UAL,AA,CAL,USAir, every single one of them will be gone in the next few years, and SWA will rule the world. God you guys are arrogant.

AA

The circle is complete ... when last we met you were the AArogant Bastard. NOW I AM THE SWARROGANT BASTARD!

 

[ivauir]

Utterly, the most backward a$$ perspective one could have. When did SWA begin hiring such mental miscarriges?

Yawn, that is it? No counterpoint? Just the flame? You are getting lazy.

 

[SWAnnabee]

I heard a radio ad this morning that was the response to SWA's recent ad campaign for the WA repeal. I have to say, regardless of anyone's position on the WA, this ad-sponsored by DFW- didn't sit well with me.

The reason? It seemed to be trying to masquerade as coming from SWA! It used the same style and format as most SWA ads. A woman's voice narrating with a thick Texas accent, real sweet and bubbly. Campy music in the background. You get the idea. The ad ended with the statement of "let's keep Love Field for short-haul flights and have DFW for long haul. Everyone gets the best of both worlds. Let's help bring LUV to DFW". Then the male voice, low volume and really fast "Thisadpaidforbythedallasfortworthairport".



It was almost like it was a SWA ad trying to generate SUPPORT FOR MOVING TO DFW!



Anyone else hear this and get the same impression? This just seemed a little too underhanded and deceptive for DFW to be doing. Kind of like a corporate identity theft.

 

[N1kawotg]

Just saw the same ad on TV. At first I thought it was a SWA wright is wrong AD, but it quickly turned to move LUV to DFW.

Anyone else think by the time its all said and done, SWA will be at DFW with a new terminal close to the runway as promised and a lease deal that is impossible to refuse. Either way, SWA might be in a win-win now.

win-get low cost gates, etc at DFW
or
win-get the law lifted.

Either way not bad for SWA

 

[MLBWINGBORN]

Empty threats and scare tactics is about all they have left..

United and USAIR being in BK didnt really have all that much impact on the market..

NWA and DAL going at the same time puts AA in a very, very bad position with a total market share that can and will slap AA around domestically.

AA is kinda like a tall pine tree..

It has to be surrounded by its kind in order to survive the heavy storms.

Out by itself exposed to the heavy winds of a quickly changing domestic market place its gonna snap or be up rooted due to its very height..

I can already here the creaking now..

 

[str8upflyrght]

Saw the commercial on a local TV Station today. The DFW people made it look like SWA sponsored te ad. Here's the website.

http://www.keepdfwstrong.org/

 

[enigma]

Empty threats and scare tactics is about all they have left..

United and USAIR being in BK didnt really have all that much impact on the market..

NWA and DAL going at the same time puts AA in a very, very bad position with a total market share that can and will slap AA around domestically.

AA is kinda like a tall pine tree..

It has to be surrounded by its kind in order to survive the heavy storms.

Out by itself exposed to the heavy winds of a quickly changing domestic market place its gonna snap or be up rooted due to its very height..

I can already here the creaking now..

Dang man, be careful with those thoughts. If AA is tall pine needing to surrounded by its kind, that might mean that they will manufacture a reason to file Bankrupcy so that they can join their kind. That might leave SWA as the next lonely tall pine, which is not something that I want to contemplate. If AA becomes an injured, cornered rat the game could get really ugly in a very short period of time.

enigma

 

[enigma]

Saw the commercial on a local TV Station today. The DFW people made it look like SWA sponsored te ad. Here's the website.

http://www.keepdfwstrong.org/

What do ya wanna bet that Herb is in the studio shooting a reply as we speak? Faking the real Herb would be a slight bit harder for AA/DFW to accomplish. Let em try to get by with that kind of deceit.

enigma

 

[1IDBLKJEW]

HEY BABES,

I gotta say, this is certainly a great thread man. I started reading it and it had 4 pages and now its already up to 8! woweee!

Cant we all just get along babe-a-roo. Coo Coo Ca Choooooo.

 

[Juvat]

I don't know which is more funny, your post or your name! I fell out of my chair.

 

[MLBWINGBORN]

Dang man, be careful with those thoughts. If AA is tall pine needing to surrounded by its kind, that might mean that they will manufacture a reason to file Bankrupcy so that they can join their kind. That might leave SWA as the next lonely tall pine, which is not something that I want to contemplate. If AA becomes an injured, cornered rat the game could get really ugly in a very short period of time.

enigma

Well..Look around..

All the big players are in BK except for SWA and CA..

Where do you think ticket prices will go?

The pressure on AA will be intense.

SWA is in the best position to survive the dying off of the old business model.. but we arnt bullit proof.

Even GK has said 2006 is going to be very tough to make any money due to the high cost of fuel..And thats AFTER being hedged.

Its going to be a very interesting holiday travel season.

 

[WhiteCloud]

Empty threats? We've seen this before. 1917 letter to businesses and town councils in Grand Junction CO.

Dear Mr. M.
I wonder if you appreciate that the Colorado Midland RR will be sold for junk unless it can be operated at a profit. The time to get busy is now. If your town did not have a competing railroad they would have to put up substantial funds to aid a company in building in. All they have to do now in insure the continued operation of the Midland is to do quiet, effective agitating along the line to see that the Midland gets the business.
The Colorado Midland can be junked and sold at a handsome profit to everyone who now has their money at stake. There is no reason why the people who put up their money should see it slowly dissipated in the operation of a railroad, which is not supported by the people equally, if not more concerned, than those who have their money at stake. It has always been my principle to protect the people who have put up their money, and this case will prove no exception.
Yours very truly, A.E.Carlton

The Colorado Midland was junked and sold for scrap in 1918

 

[traffic pilot]

Hey fellow SWA pilots,

C'mon , you guys that are being antagonistic please stop. I take a lot of pride in our pilot group and I hate to see it when one of my brothers or sisters stoop to another level. It's one thing to be arguementative but being antagonistic is different.

I know my spelling sux

 

[enigma]

MLBWINGBORN, your first post seemed to take the position that AA's quiver was empty save for empty threats and scare tactics. Then you segued to your prediction that AA was soon to follow the other legacy carriers into BK.

I don't see the connection. I don't think that AA is left with nothing more than empty threats and scare tactics, as the political power on their side is formidable.

Nor do I think that AA is on the verge of BK. AA is well run business. They should not be taken lightly.


enigma

 

[sf260pilot]

Good defense for SWA not going to DFW....On Monday I had a trip that terminated at DFW. Taxiing out to fly to Love Field, took close to 40 minutes to get the clearance to take-off. The flight lasted less than 10 minutes from DFW - DAL. This happened at around 5:00 P.M. This is what bothers SWA about DFW more so than going into the spider's web or whatever campy thing Herb said about it in the news paper. People like to use LAX as an example of the similarities but drop LAX inside of DFW and it is much smaller and more landlocked.

 

[:-)]

Good defense for SWA not going to DFW....On Monday I had a trip that terminated at DFW. Taxiing out to fly to Love Field, took close to 40 minutes to get the clearance to take-off. The flight lasted less than 10 minutes from DFW - DAL. This happened at around 5:00 P.M. This is what bothers SWA about DFW more so than going into the spider's web or whatever campy thing Herb said about it in the news paper. People like to use LAX as an example of the similarities but drop LAX inside of DFW and it is much smaller and more landlocked.

Maybe SWA should spend their resources in an attempt to get the FAA to bring some Ohare controllers to DFW. DFW is frightfully pitiful when dealing with traffic. God knows, DFW has enought concrete. If they would learn to use it well, SWA and everyone else could make time there.

It might help if you lear boys stayed away, the controllers don't know what to do with someone who actually taxis faster than a fast trot.

Calvin

 

[koko nw]

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[FlyBoeingJets]

AA will not go BK. AA is stronger than people here think. For the purposes of the Wright debate they don't flaunt it. Why do you think DFW can't find someone to roll in and compete with AA? I don't think CAL will go BK either. They have done what it takes to stay out of it for at least 2 years. They aren't losing enough, sometimes profitable, and have too much cash. Their situation is similar to Delta's after 9/11, but are closer to profitability. Delta couldn't go BK in 2003 because they still had too much cash and assets. They could have in late 2004 but waited until now.


Worst case scenario-- Oil goes to 80+ a barrel and capacity remains too high. AA and CAL on track for possible BK in late 2006 but won't for a year or two after that. But in this situation SWA will stop growing as well. Talk from GK about improving productivity will move on toward temporary pay reduction. JetBlue and Airtran would probably struggle too.

More likely scenario-- CAL and AA will be (barely?) profitable. They will be paying their bills, pensions and loans. Don't go by any Vaughn Cordle 2003 and 2004 historical data showing how high their costs are. The costs at UAL, CAL, AA and even DAL (if the pensions get changed or flushed) are MUCH lower now. NWA, by their medieval management methods, will have UAL or lower costs. If they survive they will start making money exiting BK too.