would you take this offer?

[flyboytop1]

well I signed a contract as a falcon F/O and less then 4 years later-not only did I get typed in the falcon as captain after 4 months as falcon f/o but now I'm a DC-9 captain!!! Perhaps on demand freight is not your thing-but for me having a flying job is my thing. Also remember, when FEDEX was new those guys had to buy there falcon type rating!!! Those who did and stuck out the "future" of FEDEX retired as DC-10 captains!!! making great $$$ those who were too cheat or stupid to say "hell no" I'm not buying my rating are ?????/ Same deal with Southwest. FOr me I was lucky and won the type rating in a drawing at a job fair-but I'd still buy the the rating to get on with SWA--- you choose- sometimes life is throwing the dice-but you get nothing if you don't throw the dice at all... !!!!!

 

[Ty Webb]

well I signed a contract as a falcon F/O and less then 4 years later-not only did I get typed in the falcon as captain after 4 months as falcon f/o but now I'm a DC-9 captain!!!

Sounds like you stuck around there about 3 years and 8 months too long .


Seriously, if that is your thing, great, but living on a 20 minute call-out would be my own personal nightmare.

 

[bobbysamd]

Pager tethered

[L]iving on a 20 minute call-out would be my own personal nightmare.

Seconded, no matter how much it pays, and particularly if you are a family man/woman.

I could see it being fun for a time as a young person and/or being new to aviation, but it's stressful sitting around, waiting for the pager to go off. I know; we had a similar arrangement in the newsroom. Our newspeople rotated weekends taking home the pager. It was a total weekend-killer.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

But the question is....

Do you need a college degree??

 

[English]

But the question is....

Do you need a college degree??

PLEASE! Let the dead horse die, I beg you!!!

 

[Seeniner]

We do it to ourselves

Dudes,
Having a military background may give me a different view on things...of course, I am now furloughed so I do feel the pain.

I would NOT pay for the training in hopes of getting paid back. If I felt a certain type would help me out, I'd find a way to pay for it. Similar to all of those people going to technical college to learn to use computers...or the truck drivers learning to drive the big rig. Hells bells, want to be an attorney? Pay to go to law school.

Too many pilots think flying is all they can do. When the flying jobs dry up, these pilots will do anything to fly, including flying for practically nothing. This attitude really screws up the profession.

I could go on, but have lost my inspiration.

 

[AGuyThatFlys]

I wouldn't.

AGTF

 

[CapnVegetto]

No, I would NOT front the cash for a type rating, but I would be more than happy to sign an employment contract that says that I'll stay here for 2 years, 1 year, whatever. I can see the point in that. But why should I put up $30K or so of MY money? They can put it up, and if I leave, I owe them money. That's fair.

 

[moxiepilot]

no, i wouldn't

 

[kingairyahoo]

holy crap...who dug up this dinosaur???

 

[Waldom]

The company may have been burned by employees in the past. If that's the case, their selection process is clearly lacking and henceforth is a poor reflection on management. That alone should tell you something about them.

The fact that they require an employee to pay for the initial training they by regulation or policy are required to provide clearly demonstrates that the company does not trust their own employees once hired. That fact indicates to me that the owner's and or management's personal integrity is suspect.

What do you think it would be like working with people of that caliber every day? If it were me, I would thank them for their time, wish them good luck, and tell them I don't believe I'd be a good match for their company culture.

 

[User998]

Why is this a sticky thread? Shouldn't this just be another post in the corporate section?

 

[filejw]

A buddy of mine is looking into this bonding thing as guys leaving is playing hell on his budget. He is chief pilot and every time some body leaves in say less than 18 mo he has to explain him self to the finance guys,ie why are you $30000 over.I am an old airline guy and from my prospective theses are pretty good jobs.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Making someone sign a reasonable contract to remain employed for a specific period of time or they will have to pay for training costs is not unreasonable in my opinion. However, to expect for the employee to pay for the training out of his/her own pocket is unacceptable, rather the agreement is to pay them back at some point or not.

 

[pilothouston123]

People do Jump ship right after school. This real only apply's to pilots that move to another company for a pilot Job. even if it is their dream Job. If you leave for safety or family issues that is cool. It really suks from an employer standpoint. And there is no justifcation from the employee standpoint if they can't give a year to a company willing to invest in them.
I think there sould be non-compete clause contracts out there. If you quit in less then TBD time, then you can't work in this city,
Protection for stealing business.
my $.02

 

[HarryShadow]

I'm not too familiar with the corporate flying jobs out there, but I got my 737 type before SWA discontinued this prereq and got hired. It was a gamble because they could have told me to get lost, but I was willing to take the risk to pursue employment with my #1 choice. So, maybe it boils down to how bad you want to work for this company and if you're in a financial position to "take the risk."

 

[pilothouston123]

The company may have been burned by employees in the past. If that's the case, their selection process is clearly lacking and henceforth is a poor reflection on management. That alone should tell you something about them.

I dis-agree, What id you recomend a friend to fly with you. They get hired and your company sends them to school. He promises you to stay a year. He quits after two months to take another job for 15K more.

Is this a bad reflection on you! I hope not cuz it happened to me.

 

[smails]

This may have been said but if they are going to require a contract, why not have input? If they want you to sign a two year contract, why not put in the contract that they are required to pay you for the length of the contract?

 

[honeycomb]

This may have been said but if they are going to require a contract, why not have input? If they want you to sign a two year contract, why not put in the contract that they are required to pay you for the length of the contract?

Exactly!