Would you get divorced to stay a pilot?

[skychaser]

Marriage is grand. Divorce is 350,000 grand.

 

[Birdstrike]

Posted by ATL2CDG "...I was simply counseling this gentleman to seek help because, based on the VERY little information he provided, it seems he has a misguided priorities and ought to get help for it...."

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I don't believe he asked for "counseling" ATL, he just asked a question.

...and talk about "misguided priorities" - you're a Morman for crying out loud, but let's not even go there.

I agree with your convictions on marriage, by the way, but get off the soapbox, it just p*sses people off

 

[ATL2CDG]

Birdstrike:

I have to disagree; Pilot124 brought the topic up and I felt obligated to voice my concern. Anytime a sacred commitment is thrown to the wind so haplessly, any good Christian has a responsibility to minister.

If you have questions or concerns about true and restored gospel presented by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Day Saints, this Mormon would be more than happy to discuss it with you; based on your comments, I would think that you are misinformed and/or misled as to our faith.

Lastly, if you would gladly point out the soapbox upon which I stand, I will gladly dismount. Being articulate, having morals and standing with conviction is NO sign of grandstanding.

Sorry to disappoint fellow board members; they are welcome to ignore what I say. However, this is a free country (at least for the time being), so I'll do (and post) as I please.

TysV

 

[Pilot124]

OK...MY fault for not including the whore story. I didn't just give up after 8 years lets get that straight. I in NO WAY wanted to get divorced. Shs was never supportive of me flying (your spouse not supportive of your passion is like oil and water) She got a really good job offer in BTR and I wanted to stay in Chicago for flight training. 2 choices---Go to BTR and throw aviation away (I was in flight school at the time) or her stay with me and work at some meaningless job while I train. We decided to let go. We are still the best of friends and I am a CFI and she doesn't work at that"really good job" anymore. I don't need help, it was the hardest choice I ever had to make and still question it to this day. Just was wondering if anyone else had a similiar story. I was flying before SHE got offered the job in BTR. It was her choice to move I simply choice not to drop everything and go with her. Lets not be too quick to throw in religion and how I shouldn't have children. Although I did invite that by not telling the whole story.

 

[Birdstrike]

Ummm, no thanks.

Ah geez. Another one.

I'm sorry I brought it up.

Everyone bailout now and let this thread die.

I'm OUT.

 

[ATL2CDG]

Pilot124:

Thanks for giving us the whole story. I'm sorry for your pain and your loss.

Given that, my above statements still stand.

Birdstrike:

You decided to insult my faith in God, so yes, you brought it up.

Run and hide in your little hole, cover your ears and eyes and close your heart. It's your right. I've been there and done that; I've just moved on.

Our eleventh Article of Faith states, 'We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.'

Good luck to you.

TysV

 

[Birdstrike]

Oh What The Hell

OK, it's a slow day in the cubicle today so I'll engage even though I know better after reading a galzilliion of these threads.

No I won't. It's Pilot 124s thread and it doesn't deserve to be hijacked.

 

[aviatrix]

OK...MY fault for not including the whore story.

Well, if there's a whore story then definitely you made the right choice to get divorced.

 

[jb145]

Divorce

My divorce was just final two months ago. She cheated on me, but it goes beyond that. We have been married 8 years with a daughter. It's very hard. I would recommend anyone to seek counseling in any venue of their choice before making this decision or the choice to get married..Why do you need marriage in the first place?? If you love someone it shouldn't matter what the state or the church says. Read "Against Love" by Laura Kipnis" A great book on the state of marriage in this country.


"Are you a christian? Mam' I am tonight"

 

[Caveman]

Everybody thinks their religion is the only right one. Everybody that tries to prove theirs is the only right one always uses their own religion's literature to try and make their case. That flawed logic presumes that the object of your conversion will discard their beliefs and adopt yours simply because you produce a piece of literature written by your group that condems their beliefs. The hopeful outcome will be the heathen immediately crying out "Wow, thanks for pointing out the error of my ways! I'll convert immediately!" I have yet to meet anybody that was ever swayed by this technique and yet some still persist in trying to make it work. Live and let live.

 

[ATL2CDG]

Birdstrike:

Let me do this a second time... if you insist in called me a Mormon, at least spell it correctly... M-O-R-M-O-N. However, in all actually, I am more properly addresses as a Latter-Day Saint.

As I've said, you've been misled and misinformed, which is quite unfortunate.

I'll just cut to the chase here. You're in a cult, plain and simple. What you believe is not Christianity - it's mormanism. Why do think Christians reject your faith? It's because it's false.

Sorry, we're not a cult and it's not plain and simple. Let's first look at the full name of the Church... The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints . Jesus Christ is the cornerstone upon which our Church is built. Let me just cut and paste our Articles of Faith as they lay out the basics of what we believe:

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.

3. We believe that through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul--We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Contrast and compare with creeds of other churches; they all have variances, they all have conflicting specifics, but they, including ours, are all basically of the same stock.

You should know that there will be consequences of rejecting Christ as the ONLY way to God... It's not my rule or system, that's what He said Himself "I am the way and the truth and the life...no one comes to the Father but through Me..."

As you can read above, belief in Christ is required for salvation and exaltation. We believe the Christ is the literal Son of God. We believe He led a perfect life and showed mankind the path to eternal glory. We believe He, through faith in Him and following the commandments He ordained, is the ONLY means to return to the presence of Heavenly Father.

Not Me and ____, or me and Joseph Smith, just through Me. He states that He doesn't take lightly anybody else setting themselves up as false gods or leading others astray either. Hmmm.

This is perhaps the most horrid of the falsehoods spread by those unwilling to learn and understand (not necessarily believe). We do NOT worship Joseph Smith. We believe that he was a prophet, chosen by Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, to restore the gospel on Earth. We hold him in the same light as Moses, Isaiah, Paul and other ordained prohets of God. We believe he was the vessel by which Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ decided to reveal the true path to return to the presence of God and was responsible for the establishment of the restored church of God. As such, if one takes him to be a prophet, then the Book of Mormon and other revelations through him must be true. Heavenly Father and Christ, for thousands of years, used imperfect, human prophets to reveal the Word of God and lead true believers... that tradition continued with J. Smith and continues today with Gordon B. Hinckley. Prophets are human. Humans are falliable, flawed and imperfect. While the works of J. Smith were great, he was just a man, and CERTAINLY not worthy of worship; idolatry is a grave sin.

Our two faiths don't coexist as separate branches of Christianity depite your faith's deceptive practices to do otherwise. it's like me saying that the earth is 186,000 miles from the moon and you saying that it's a million miles away...we both can't be right. One of us is wrong. Jesus isn't just a prophet, he's equal with God the Father Himself and the Holy Spirit.

Well, since we've determined that the core belief in the necessity of Christ for salvation is shared between the two of us, I think we can say that we DO co-exist as two different paths to the same end. However, given how you think differences in any form are d*mnable, then who is true among the Catholics, hundreds of branches of Baptists, Methodists, Congregationalist, Presbyterians, Churches of Christ, Churches of God, Episcopals, etc.? Who has it right? At least with my faith, ALL MANKIND has the ability to be saved, whether they were ministered to on Earth or lived thousands of years before Christ in the depths of Africa; ALL MANKIND is worthy of exaltation, not just Brother Bubba and those who believe Rev. Joe at First Baptist Church in Normalsville. --Also, we don't think Christ is a prophet... he's part of the Godhead.

You're correct in that you have every right to your faith and its articles. I know you're sincere, but unfortunately you're sincerely wrong. I know you won't accept that, I've talked to many of the Mormans that knock on my door. The indoctrination is incredible.

Obviously you talked to the Mormon missionaries and did not care to listen to them. That's all haters of our faith want to do... is talk... Heaven forbid that you should actually LISTEN to what we say we believe; it's quite apparent that you know everything about us.

~sigh~

And it's not indoctrination, it's the presence of the Holy Ghost entering our open hearts and showing us that the Church is true and that salvation is attained through Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It's people of your mindset that would destroy the Church; at least we have the civility to let you exist and worship as you wish (see number eleven above).

TysV

 

[bart]

Making a marriage work is a function of character and not occupation. Though it is convenient to blame your shortcomings on the rigors of your occupation, they will haunt you in relationship after relationship. Best square them away, and quit blaming your spouse.

 

[Birdstrike]

I Pass

So I guess we agree to disagree, ATL.

I withdrew my comments (but not quickly enough, I see) and regret getting sucked into a religious discussion. My bad, I just let your tone get to me.

These diatribes likely change nobody's mind and probably do more damage to the cause of Christ than it possibly helps.

Ah well. Sorry for the misspell, it wasn't intentional.

 

[Snakum]

If you have questions or concerns about true and restored gospel presented by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Day Saints, this Mormon would be more than happy to discuss it with you

Ya know ... if you guys are still doing that Polygamy thing, I might be interested.

Minh
(I think I just figured out how I can get married, and STAY married: multiple wives, so I don't get bored in the SEX department. But then again ... what could be worse than a nagging, bItching old lady? More than one nagging, b!tching old lady. )

 

[Snakum]

Making a marriage work is a function of character and not occupation.

Bart's right (first time for everything ).

Minh

 

[ATL2CDG]

Snakum:

Sorry to disappoint, but the Church has not sanctioned plural wive since the late 1800s. After the oppressive Federal government in Washington, D.C. threaten to confiscate all Church property and imprision its leaders, God revealed through our Church president and prophet that they taking of plural wives by the small percentage of the population of Saints that were permitted ought to stop.

Today, any member of the Church who takes plural wives is immediately excommunicated and disfellowshiped.

Hope this clears things up for you.

TysV

 

[Caveman]

Birdstrike,

I noticed that you did eventually bail out of this thread. That's fine. I've done the same thing a time or two. Sometimes I decide to take back a vitriolic post I made or I don't feel like beating my head against a brick wall again. I wish it was that easy in life to take back something I said out loud when in all likelihood it should have stayed in my head in the first place. Unfortunately you got quoted before you could bail. I'm not sure what web board ettiquette(sp?) dictates in these kind of things. In my book if a post is retracted then it's a bit unfair to continue to quote that person.

What say you ATL2CDG? I know all this just happened but he did retract his post.

 

[Birdstrike]

No Horse To Dead To Keep Beating

Caver,

I believe ATL went offline to compose his reply and then returned to post it. By then I had pulled mine which he likely hadn't realized. No problem, once I hit send, it's out there and fair game.

When I reread the Pilot124's orignal comment, I felt like an ass in hijacking the thread when this guy was asking for comments totally unrelated to what we were discussing.

If I want to debate religion with ATL, I should start my own thread, not steal somebody elses.

Good observation about the brick wall. It feels nbetter when you stop.

 

[Snakum]

God revealed through our Church president and prophet that they taking of plural wives by the small percentage of the population of Saints that were permitted ought to stop.

That's interesting, because God revealed to me, just yesterday, that the whole godd@mn thing was just a joke. God's kinda funny that way, as Gods often are.

Minh

BTW ... God revealed to my Beta fish that Bart was the anti-Christ. Now, I'm not saying he is, or he isn't. But that's what my fish says God told him. And since I know most of you heathens will refute this precious, God-given Beta testimony ... here's the proof ...

http://www.activesolutions.com/thichminhthong/images/spot.jpg

 

[Pilot124]

Every thread turns toward religion.....Two people out of 20 answered without firing on one another. It was a simple yes or no question and maybe some feedback. Why even ask? What a waste of time. Thanks to those that did respond positively or negatively. Thanks for the feedback. I should now change the title of the thread to SQUAK 7500 HIJACKED!!!!!